[ennui2]

This article is the kind of post I used to often seen in the planning forum here.

In other words, where to live to survive climate change chaos.

http://time.com/3964807/climate-change-resilience/

A pretty ominous sign, and why I'm more worried about AGW than PO.

[Keith_McClary]

The Northernmost states of North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming ... the region faces few other potentially devastating challenges.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Plantagenet]

The Northernmost states of North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming ... the region faces few .... potentially devastating challenges.

North Dakota had a hard time dealing with an influx of a few thousand people trying to get jobs in the Bakken. Do you really think these areas are going to be able to handle immigration by millions of people fleeing sea level rise and climate change?

[onlooker]

I think one stands a much better chance of surviving and dealing with PO then Climate Change. PO will be something that society as a whole can sort of mitigate or adapt too and a person can make plans to get off the grid. With the extreme effects of climate change their is NO adopting by either individuals or society. So you could say PO is Doom Light and CC is Doom Heavy

[KaiserJeep]

I think Keith was talking about the long overdue eruption of the Yellowstone mega-volcano. This entirely natural event will eclipse mankind's feeble effect upon world climate in the first half-day of the eruption, then will spin the planet into a glacial age that will trap so much water as ice that the continental shelf will be the new shoreline, and the ice will last for tens of thousands of years.......leaving a narrow band of human-habitable temperate climate desert terrain around the equator.

[Timo]

I think Keith was talking about the long overdue eruption of the Yellowstone mega-volcano. This entirely natural event will eclipse mankind's feeble effect upon world climate in the first half-day of the eruption, then will spin the planet into a glacial age that will trap so much water as ice that the continental shelf will be the new shoreline, and the ice will last for tens of thousands of years.......leaving a narrow band of human-habitable temperate climate desert terrain around the equator.

Bring it on! I've got the Champagne.

[onlooker]

I have the balloons and noise blowers

[jesus_of_suburbia]

Great Lakes states never get any love in these projections. Largest freshwater source in the world. What's not to like?

[Keith_McClary]

I think Keith was talking about the long overdue eruption of the Yellowstone mega-volcano. This entirely natural event ...

Also from TIME :
How Climate Change Leads to Volcanoes (Really)
Jan. 29, 2015

[KaiserJeep]

That article is pure speculation without any sources. Personally, I think plate tectonics causes volcanoes, and volcanoes far outpace the feeble effects of FF burning in driving CC.

[Outcast_Searcher]

Great Lakes states never get any love in these projections. Largest freshwater source in the world. What's not to like?

Detroit and Chicago!

[davep]

That article is pure speculation without any sources. Personally, I think plate tectonics causes volcanoes, and volcanoes far outpace the feeble effects of FF burning in driving CC.

But we have no idea when it's going to blow, and nothing we can do to mitigate it. With AGW we do and we can.

[Lore]

That article is pure speculation without any sources. Personally, I think plate tectonics causes volcanoes, and volcanoes far outpace the feeble effects of FF burning in driving CC.

But we have no idea when it's going to blow, and nothing we can do to mitigate it. With AGW we do and we can.

A diversion, worry more about the things you can control and less about those things you can't.

[Outcast_Searcher]

That article is pure speculation without any sources. Personally, I think plate tectonics causes volcanoes, and volcanoes far outpace the feeble effects of FF burning in driving CC.

But we have no idea when it's going to blow, and nothing we can do to mitigate it. With AGW we do and we can.

A diversion, worry more about the things you can control and less about those things you can't.

And? I can (and) do worry about, and markedly reduce my personal carbon footprint, over time.

And how about that of everyone else, including many who scoff at me and continue to burn all the carbon they can possibly afford, for trying to do my part (and pointing out that it is the right thing, since if billions of people would do it, it WOULD make a difference)?

So which things is it we should worry about because it will actually make a difference? (I honestly don't see it).

[Timo]

So which things is it we should worry about because it will actually make a difference? (I honestly don't see it).

Time will tell.

[Keith_McClary]

That article is pure speculation without any sources. Personally, I think plate tectonics causes volcanoes, ...

Subduction zone volcanism and Spreading center volcanism but not intraplate volcanism.

and volcanoes far outpace the feeble effects of FF burning in driving CC.

Is this a good time to ask you for your sources? I don't see anyone saying that:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=volcano+climate+change

[Pops]

I've started a couple of planning for warming threads and they got about the same amount of interest. Nobody's going to do anything to protect themselves from warming. Not even the most rapid hand-wringers.

It is the perfect hobby-doom scenario, "we're all going to boil in our skins" so there is nothing to do except fret and of course denounce deniers or even "believers" who do not wring with the appropriate rapidity.

[Timo]

Pops, how exactly can you "plan" for the coming warmth, or the Death Valley heat that's coming our way? The only way to make life sustainable that i can see that is to become a climate refugee, and that's exactly what i plan on doing. Newfie can simple sail off into his water world, but that also has its own extreme limitations on viability. Ibon seems relatively secure in his higher elevations, but that, too, probably can't last forever. About the only planning alternative to geographic relocation is geoengineering.

Perhaps we could plan on and start building cities underground, or under water, or 10,000 feet in the air, or follow Elon Musk to Mars.

I guess my point is that it is practically pointless to individually plan on how to handle the warming temps because, my apologies for this cliche, we're all in this together. If i have a system for staying cool in the oven, there are 7 billion (and growing) other people who will kill me to get their hands on my system so that they, too, can stay alive. I don't think that AGW has any alternatives left for the individual to plan for. We're cooked. The religious can plan on making it into heaven, or some other afterlife paradise. The rest of us can just plan on dying a miserable death.

But, cheer up! Once it's all over, you won't remember any of it.

[Lore]

I moved basically just for the fact that it was too hot and getting warmer where I was at. So, yes as individuals you can do something for yourself right now to get out of harms way.

As far as spreading the word, you only need to convince one other person to double your message and in turn have them do the same for someone else. You don't need to persuade everyone to make a difference.

[Tanada]

I've started a couple of planning for warming threads and they got about the same amount of interest. Nobody's going to do anything to protect themselves from warming. Not even the most rapid hand-wringers.

It is the perfect hobby-doom scenario, "we're all going to boil in our skins" so there is nothing to do except fret and of course denounce deniers or even "believers" who do not wring with the appropriate rapidity.

Actually Pops my planning for warming threats is the same as my planning for PO threats. Both lead me to move 50ish miles to a small town away from the large population centers but close enough to still be on the rail and paved road network. I am also 500 feet above sea level and near several very large bodies of fresh water so even a sustained drought won't cause me to die of thirst. Planning for flood/drought/blizzard/heat wave is much tougher than planning for PO simply because which one you will get is a dice throw.