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Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Tue 04 Oct 2016, 19:36:07

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/02/o ... th-russia/

A group of ex-U.S. intelligence officials is warning President Obama to defuse growing tensions with Russia over Syria by reining in the demonization of President Putin and asserting White House civilian control over the Pentagon.


If Obama wants a legacy he can get it by kicking the neocon war party running the Pentagon into line or onto the street.

Saving Daesh and Al Qaeda should not be his priority.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 04 Oct 2016, 19:57:11

Little late for that, they just pulled out a deal to reduce nukes, his big legacy action.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Tue 04 Oct 2016, 21:38:56

Newfie wrote:Little late for that, they just pulled out a deal to reduce nukes, his big legacy action.


The destruction of Plutonium agreement was being sabotaged by the US and if the US was serious about not going to war then it could easily be brought back on line. But the deciders in the US have decided that they will win a nuclear war with Russia.

And yet another bunch of western clowns engages in "drang nach osten". It's a freaking disease.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 04 Oct 2016, 22:00:12

Newfie wrote:Little late for that, they just pulled out a deal to reduce nukes, his big legacy action.


Correction. Putin's big legacy action.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 02:00:16

Destroying plutonium is beyond stupid. It doesn't have to be used to make bombs; its most valuable use, in my opinion, is building RTGs for space flight. Solar can never come close to providing what an RTG can provide out past Saturn...
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby regardingpo » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 05:12:18

A group of EX-U.S. intelligence officials is warning President Obama


As usual, people like this only start making sense after they retire. Seen it a thousand times before.

Obama is a sick bastard who will probably wait to see who wins the election in November. If Trump wins, Obama will escalate the war in Syria just to spite him.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 07:42:16

RPO, I suspect he's still a chronic stoner, his self contradiction blend with arrogant self confidence reminds me very much of some chronic high functioning dope choofers I know very well.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby GHung » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 18:06:24

SeaGypsy wrote:RPO, I suspect he's still a chronic stoner, his self contradiction blend with arrogant self confidence reminds me very much of some chronic high functioning dope choofers I know very well.


Stoner? Why not, considering the idiotic electorate, bought-and-paid-for Congress, and clusterfuck world we expect him to deal with. Besides, in DC he wouldn't be breaking the law. Go for it Mr. Prez!
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 19:10:52

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-0 ... al-enemies

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"The strategic resolve of our nation, the United States, is being challenged and our alliances tested in ways that we haven't faced in many, many decades," Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told an audience at the Association of the United States Army's annual meeting in Washington, D.C.

"I want to be clear to those who wish to do us harm … the United States military -- despite all of our challenges, despite our [operational] tempo, despite everything we have been doing -- we will stop you and we will beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before. Make no mistake about that".


Another trash-talking US windbag who thinks that rolling over Russia will be a cakewalk like every retard that tried in the last 1000 years. And this precious yapping about "being threatened". F*ck you, scumbag. It is you who is doing all the threatening. With your dual use (*), INF violating ABM system in Europe and your threats of terrorism on Russian soil from your proxies (al Nusra and pals):

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/s ... is/ri16810

(*) Make no mistake the ABM system will be armed with nuclear warheads. Nobody holds back during war. Kinetic kill warheads have an excessive failure rate. Nuclear warheads will severely damage any ICBM warhead even if they "miss". And the size of the ABM rockets makes them perfect IRBM systems.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 20:22:09

Milley's statement is safe; he precedes it by "those who wish to do us harm"; Russia has no interest in harming the United States or its treaty allies.

However, if Russia, or Russian forces are attacked by NATO/US forces; Russia will fire back, and that return fire will be effective. And he knows it. Thus he's sounding tough, saying nothing, and not lying all at the same time. A very normal Pentagon past time, fwiw.

In the end, there is no "beat you" in a strategic exchange between the US and Russia; there is only death and desolation, for all humanity. So Russia will ignore American whining in Syria; Al Qaeda/Nusra will continue to be obliterated by continuous, sustainable, unrelenting bombardment by Russian air crews, perhaps for weeks, perhaps for months, perhaps for years. I don't think Putin really cares.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 20:29:11

regardingpo wrote:Obama is a sick bastard who will probably wait to see who wins the election in November. If Trump wins, Obama will escalate the war in Syria just to spite him.


Possibly.

But I just can't see obama doing anything in Syria or elsewhere that would lead to conflict with Russia. I think Obama is terrified of Putin, after Putin outsmarted him in the Crimea and now in Syria.

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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 21:04:11

I was disappointed in the rhetoric regarding Russia last night from both VP candidates. That being said, Kaine didn't bring up nuclear upgrades like Pence did.

In Hacked Audio, Hillary Clinton Rethinks Obama’s Nuclear Upgrade Plan
At the fund-raiser, Mr. Weber asked Mrs. Clinton about the modernization push and whether she, as president, would cancel the cruise missile, which he called a “particularly destabilizing, dangerous type of nuclear weapon.”

“I certainly would be inclined to do that,” she answered. “The last thing we need are sophisticated cruise missiles that are nuclear-armed.”


Does Clinton still hold these views?
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 21:32:04

AgentR11 wrote:Milley's statement is safe; he precedes it by "those who wish to do us harm"; Russia has no interest in harming the United States or its treaty allies.

However, if Russia, or Russian forces are attacked by NATO/US forces; Russia will fire back, and that return fire will be effective. And he knows it. Thus he's sounding tough, saying nothing, and not lying all at the same time. A very normal Pentagon past time, fwiw.

In the end, there is no "beat you" in a strategic exchange between the US and Russia; there is only death and desolation, for all humanity. So Russia will ignore American whining in Syria; Al Qaeda/Nusra will continue to be obliterated by continuous, sustainable, unrelenting bombardment by Russian air crews, perhaps for weeks, perhaps for months, perhaps for years. I don't think Putin really cares.


Yeah, really squeaky clean. Mobster style. How many such speeches have been given by US generals over the last 20 years? You insinuate that such grandstanding is routine. I call BS. This is punkass threats aimed at Russia by definition since US MSM hate propaganda is in full bore demonization mode against Russia right now. What are these other threats that Uncle Scumbag is facing? From Al Nusra? From North Korea? From Iran? From China? They are not even hitting the news and supposedly this twat is talking about them? Don't make me laugh.

I bet gangster-wannabe Obomber is prodding US generals to make these speeches. He is more than likely to have authorized the attack on Syrian army in Deir Ezzor.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 05 Oct 2016, 22:58:47

So the probable future POTUS and formed head of the State Dept says
“The last thing we need are sophisticated cruise missiles that are nuclear-armed.” What an amazing bizarre statement from the potential leader of our military. The US military that began designing nuclear warhead equipped cruise missils decades ago. Nuclear warhead cruise missile that numerous countries already possess. Perhaps someone send Secretary Clinton a copy of "Jane's" as an inauguration gift. LOL:

The French Force de Frappe nuclear forces include both land and sea based bombers with Air-Sol Moyenne Portée high speed medium range nuclear cruise missiles. Two models are in use, ASMP and a newer ASMP-A. Approximately 60 nuclear missiles are in service, 50 land based and 10 sea based.

In 2014, India successfully tested nuclear-capable long-range subsonic cruise missile Nirbhay. The missile was developed by India's Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), has a range of more than 1,000 km (620 mi) and is expected to enter mass-production for the Indian Armed Forces by 2016.

The Israeli Defense Forces reportedly deploy the medium-range air-launched Popeye Turbo ALCM and the Popeye Turbo SLCM medium-long range cruise missile with nuclear warheads on Dolphin class submarines.

Pakistan currently has three cruise missile systems in service, of which, two are nuclear-capable cruise missiles: the air-launched Ra'ad and the ground-launched Babur, and the sea-launched Zarb. Both, Ra'ad and Babur, can carry nuclear warheads between 10 and 35 kt, and deliver them to targets at a range of 350 km (220 mi) and 700 km (430 mi) respectively. Ra'ad is in the use of Pakistan Air Force since 2007, while Babur is with the Pakistan Army since 2005. The Zarb, though not nuclear nor any information is officially submitted by the Pakistani military reports, joined the service with Pakistan Navy in 2016.

Russia has Kh-55SM cruise missiles, with similar to United States' AGM-129 range of 3000 km, but are able to carry more powerful warhead of 200 kt. They are equipped with a TERCOM system which allows them to cruise at an altitude lower than 110 meters at subsonic speeds while obtaining a CEP accuracy of 15 meters with an Inertial navigation system. They are air-launched from either Tupolev Tu-95s, Tupolev Tu-22Ms, or Tupolev Tu-160s, each able to carry 16 for the Tu-95, 12 for the Tu-160, and 4 for the Tu-22M. A stealth version of the missile, the Kh-101 is in development. It has similar qualities as the Kh-55, except that its range has been extended to 5,000 km, equipped with a 1,000 kg conventional warhead, and has stealth features which reduces its probability of intercept.

The United States has deployed four nuclear armed cruise missiles at one time or another:

SSM-N-8 Regulus submarine-launched missile, out of service

AGM-86 ALCM air-launched cruise missile, 350 to 550 missiles and W80 warheads still in service

BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile in nuclear submarine-, surface ship-, and ground-launched models, nuclear models out of service but warheads kept in reserve.

AGM-129 ACM Advanced Cruise missile, out of service.

The US has had nuk tipped cruise missile so long some became outdated and were "retired". LOL
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 10:14:00

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2 ... genda.html

Speaking at Minot Air Force Base (North Dakota) on Monday, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter accused Russia of «nuclear saber-rattling» and argued that even though the Cold War is long over, the US Army still needs nuclear weapons to deter Russia and other potential aggressors from thinking they could get away with a nuclear attack.

However, knowing it would be difficult to sell the image of «Russian aggressors» as suicidal, (everything will burn in a global nuclear war, including those who started it), the head of the Pentagon was quick to say that people should probably not expect a global conflict. «Today», he stated, «it’s a sobering fact that the most likely use of nuclear weapons is not the massive nuclear exchange of the classic Cold War-type, but rather the unwise resort to smaller but still unprecedentedly terrible attacks, for example, by Russia or North Korea».


An example of the foaming at the mouth warmongering coming from the USA. The only ones doing the saber rattling are the Americans.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 10:26:33

https://off-guardian.org/2016/04/24/is- ... st-russia/

Back in January, Russian President Vladimir Putin had once again called out American President Barack Obama on Obama’s big lie that America’s “ABM” weapons to disable in-flight nuclear missiles were being installed in Europe in order to protect Europe against Iranian nuclear missiles. Now, however, while the U.S. acknowledges that Iran doesn’t have, and won’t have, any nuclear missiles, Obama is stepping up (instead of ending) those same ABM installations in Europe, close to Russia’s borders. The only real reason they have been installed, as Putin argues, is in order to enable a sudden nuclear attack against Russia capable of disabling Russia’s retaliatory capacity in a matter of minutes.


America is totally untrustworthy. You can bet your last dime that Uncle Scumbag is drooling at the prospect of gaining a real 1st strike capability against Russia. The ABM "shield" is a prefect cover for the deployment of an IRBM. Not surprisingly Uncle Scumbag is bitching about Russia "violating" the INF. Typical guilt diversion.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 10:35:27

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/world/w ... d4e62.html

The Russian Foreign Ministry is accusing the Pentagon of making a veiled threat to back its allies in an attack on Russia with nuclear weapons.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter on Monday accused Russia of "nuclear saber-rattling" and argued that even though the Cold War is long over, nuclear weapons are still needed to deter Russia and other potential aggressors from thinking they could get away with a nuclear attack.

Moscow responded Thursday by saying that Carter's statement amounted to the U.S. threatening to use its nuclear weapons in support of an aggression against Russia waged by its allies. It added that Russia will have to take retaliatory measures to protect its security.


Squeaky clean American mafiosi only ever speak the truth.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby dissident » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 11:58:23

https://www.rt.com/news/361800-russia-s ... aistrikes/

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, any airstrike or missile hitting targets in territory controlled by the Syrian government would put Russian personnel in danger.


American ubermenschen have been warned. Any attack on Syrian government positions is an attack on Russian personnel.
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 15:02:29

"Any attack on Syrian government positions is an attack on Russian personnel." Already happened earlier this month:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/world ... ussia.html
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Re: Obama Warned to Defuse Tensions with Russia

Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia » Thu 06 Oct 2016, 18:45:56

So, when does one start thinking about a hasty retreat to the Southern Hemisphere?
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