[dohboi]

Sooo, is profiling someone a bigot, a bigoted act? If so, then didn't you just engage in that yourself??

[litesong]

Are you becoming the kind of hateful person you rail against?

Of course not! Someone opposing hate doesn't make them haters. But, people understand when someone is deflecting, which you are.
Meanwhile, as T-rump rose in the polls, the stock market's sour taste of T-rump caused it to dive for 9 straight days.
As a portion of the FBI tries to affect the election, they find an ally in Putin's hacking of democrats, while T-rump supports Putin. T-rump forgets Reagan's "evil empire". Even now, Putin tries to raise the "evil empire" from ashes.

What Newfie doesn't like is: In 2008 re-pubic-lick-un polls said it would be close between McCain & Obama & McCain lost by a large margin. In 2012 re-pubic-lick-un polls said they would win, & Romney lost handily to Obama. The legendary soprano, Jessie Norman, knows what hate is & lists most of the flack that President Obama has endured for 9 years as racism. Newfie is lashing out, because the GOP says they will win this election. Newfie understands that the GOP is collapsing for the third time in a row. The GOP, even with the help of Russia & a portion of the FBI, will witness President Hillary Clinton.

I will only be disappointed because the GOP won't lose 90% to 10%.

[Plantagenet]

Oh-oh. This is amazing.

One of the Podesta emails just released on Wikileaks suggests that Clinton was blackmailing Bernie Sanders during the D primary.

The Podesta email says that Clinton has "leverage" over Bernie and they might have to remind Bernie about it again to keep him in line.

Podesta emails shows that Clinton was blackmailing Bernie Sanders

That would explain why Bernie went so soft on Hillary during the primaries. Hillary has some kind of dirt on Bernie, and the Hillary campaign would remind Bernie periodically that they had him by the short and curlies and he better go easy on Hillary or he would regret it.


Ohmigad....How in HELL did Hillary find out about THAT!

[KaiserJeep]

[litesong]

Oh, I get it! The police cars are from Russia & all the ones in the FBI vehicle...are the only ones breaking FBI restrictions on political involvement! Didn't take long to break that conservative re-pubic-lick-un cartoon.

[Sixstrings]

Feisty Hilly campaigning in the rain in Florida:

https://youtu.be/cbRtvPzkShI

New York Times did a story on this, because at the end she went off script and relaxed, got a little populist-like, and the crowd fired up.

In 1 Unscripted Moment, Hillary Clinton Finds Joy in the Rain
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/us/politics/hillary-clinton-rain-moment.html?referer=

[dissident]

http://theduran.com/julian-assange-says ... president/

“Libya more that anyone else’s war was Hillary Clinton’s war. Barack Obama initially opposed it. Who was the person who was championing it? Hillary Clinton. That’s documented throughout her emails.”

“There’s more than 1,700 emails out of the 33,000 of Hillary Clinton’s emails we published just about Libya. It’s not about that Libya has cheap oil. She perceived the removal of Gaddafi and the overthrow of the Libyan state something that she would use to run in the general election for president. So late 2011, there’s an internal document called the “Libya Tick Tock” that is produced for Hillary Clinton, and it’s all the…it’s a chronological description of how Hillary Clinton was the central figure in the destruction of the Libyan state.”

“As a result, there [have been] around 40,000 deaths within Libya. Jihadists moved in, ISIS moved in. That led to the European refugee and migrant crisis, because not only did you have people fleeing Libya, people then fleeing Syria, destabilization of other African countries as a result of arms flows.”

War criminal for president!

[Plantagenet]

“Libya more that anyone else’s war was Hillary Clinton’s war. Barack Obama initially opposed it. Who was the person who was championing it? Hillary Clinton. That’s documented throughout her emails.”

War criminal for president!

That will make three war criminals in a row---we've got a trifecta!

Since Hillary voted for Bush's unnecessary war against Iraq, and is also partly responsible for Obama's illegal war in Libya and his failed policies in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc., its only fitting that she herself become President now. I'll be curious to see what wars she is able to cook up all on her own.


I'm looking forward to the upcoming Clinton years

[Newfie]

Sooo, is profiling someone a bigot, a bigoted act? If so, then didn't you just engage in that yourself??

No Dohboi, you acted the bigot. You fit your actions to the model.

Sorry, self inflicted wound.

Have you ever taken a course in logic?

[dohboi]

What lite said. It's really quite comical. I can imagine Newf in '30's Germany railing against anti-Nazis because they were being so unfair, and were 'profiling' and were all bigots. Really, nearly beyond imagination how far he has to twist himself into pretzel logic to come up with these broadsides...

If we can steer the conversation back a bit closer to the thread topic, though...

Hilary may have already secured herself the White House, or rather, Latinos who are voting early in record numbers, have secured it for her.

Nevada's early voting just ended, and dems outvoted reps by such huge margins that experts on polling in the state are saying that there is now essentially no chance for Trump to catch up in the main election. By Republican strategists own calculation, the margin of dem to rep turn out was twice as big what they though was possible for Trump to be able to have a chance of recovering from on election day.

It has often been repeated that Trump would have to win ALL the swing states as well as pulling some Clinton leaning states into his column to win. Well, he just lost a key swing state. That means Clinton could loose all the remaining swing states--Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and NC--AND she could lose New Hampshire and Maine...she could lose all of those, and still win the election.

The odds of here losing all of those AND losing one other state that is right now pretty solidly in her camp seem pretty vanishingly small to me.

But then this has been a very...peculiar...election year, so who knows. (Others should check my math to see if I am miscalculating somewhere.)

[vox_mundi]

The rise and rise of fake news

The deliberate making up of news stories to fool or entertain is nothing new. But the arrival of social media has meant real and fictional stories are now presented in such a similar way that it can sometimes be difficult to tell the two apart.

While the internet has enabled the sharing of knowledge in ways that previous generations could only have dreamed of, it has also provided ample proof of Winston Churchill's line that "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on".

There are hundreds of fake news websites out there, from those which deliberately imitate real life newspapers, to government propaganda sites, and even those which tread the line between satire and plain misinformation.

One of them is The National Report which advertises itself as "America's Number 1 Independent News Source", and which was set up by Allen Montgomery (not his real name).

"There are times when it feels like a drug," ... "There are highs that you get from watching traffic spikes and kind of baiting people into the story. I just find it to be a lot of fun."

"Obviously the headline is key, and the domain name itself is very much a part of the formula - you need to have a fake news site that looks legitimate as can be," Montgomery says.

But why go to such trouble? The answer is there is big money to be made from sites by The National Report which host web advertising, and these potentially huge rewards entice website owners to move away from funny satirical jokes and towards more believable content because it is likely to be more widely shared.

"We've had stories that have made $10,000 (about £8,100). When we really tap in to something and get it to go big then we're talking about in the thousands of dollars that are made per story," Montgomery says.

Brooke Binkowski from Snopes, one of the largest fact checking websites which fights online misinformation, believes that while individual fake news stories may not be dangerous their potential to cause damage becomes more powerful over time and when considered in the aggregate.

"There's a lot of confirmation bias," ... "A lot of people want proof that their world view is the accurate and appropriate one."

And that idea of reinforcing people's beliefs and falsely confirming their prejudices is something that Allen Montgomery says his fake news site actively tries to exploit.

"We're constantly trying to tune into feelings that we think that people already have or want to have," he says.

"Recently we did a story about Hillary Clinton being fed the answers prior to the debate. There was already some low level chatter about that having happened - it was all fake - but that sort of headline gets into the right wing bubble and they run with it."

... "The policies in newsrooms haven't caught up with the practice," Adornato says.

"Its commonplace that news outlets are relying on content that folks have shared, but not every newsroom has a policy regarding how to verify and authenticate this information."



A recent study of local TV stations in the US conducted by Adornato revealed that that nearly 40% of their editorial policies did not include any guidelines on how to verify information from social media, yet news managers at the TV stations admitted that at least a third of their news bulletins had reported information from social media that later was revealed to be false or inaccurate.

Fox’s Bret Baier Walks Back Flawed Reporting About “Likely” Clinton Indictment

MediaMatters: Fox News’ Bret Baier walked back his November 2 claim, which was based on two unnamed sources, that FBI investigations relating to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton will “continue to likely an indictment.” On the November 3 edition of Fox’s Happening Now, Baier described his comments as “inartful,” acknowledging that “that’s not the process.” Baier’s uncritical reporting of anonymous, unvetted sources has been parroted by a stream of Fox hosts and correspondents, as well as right-wing blogs.

Fox News reporter and anchor Bret Baier, who hosts “Special Report” on the cable channel, apologized Friday for reporting that indictments were “likely” in an ongoing investigation into Clinton Foundation investigation, adding that the reports were a mistake.

“All the time, but especially in a heated election on a topic this explosive, every word matters — no matter how well-sourced,” Baier told Fox News’ Jon Scott in the Friday broadcast of “Happening Now.” "Which brings me to this: I explained a couple of times yesterday the phrasing of one of my answers to [Fox News host] Brit Hume on Wednesday night, saying it was inartful the way I answered [a] question about whether the investigations would continue after the election. And I answered that, yes, our sources said it would, they would continue to likely an indictment. Well that wasn't just inartful. It was a mistake. And for that, I’m sorry.”

Fox News Host Bret Baier Admits Clinton Indictment Report Was A ‘Mistake’

Major news outlets shot down the explosive claim, while Donald Trump and conservative media ran with it.

FBI examining fake documents targeting Clinton campaign

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are examining faked documents aimed at discrediting the Hillary Clinton campaign as part of a broader investigation into what U.S. officials believe has been an attempt by Russia to disrupt the presidential election, people with knowledge of the matter said.

U.S. Senator Tom Carper, a Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, has referred one of the documents to the FBI for investigation on the grounds that his name and stationery were forged to appear authentic. http://tmsnrt.rs/2emt5AI

How to spot a fake US election claim

... This is how fakes happen and how to ensure you're not the one left holding the blushing emoji after an unfortunate sharing incident.

Claims of voter fraud in the Democrat primaries keep resurfacing, apparently supported by video.

The CCTV showing "Democrats stuffing votes into ballot boxes" includes the same footage the BBC used on our Youtube account about Russian elections in September 2016.




Sometimes a fake claim works on the principle that if you throw enough bricks, eventually you build a house. Think moon landings.

Republican candidate Donald Trump has played the voter fraud card, warning his supporters "Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!"

It boils down to "No evidence"

[dohboi]

Thanks again for these, vox.

Here's another analysis of the NV situation from 538:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/has ... 6-forecast

Here's the part that I didn't realize:

...most voters in Nevada vote early...

That's why it would be so hard for Trump to catch up on election day.

[Plantagenet]

...most voters in Nevada vote early...

That's why it would be so hard for Trump to catch up on election day.

Yup.

And Nevada has a rapidly growing Hispanic population and they are turning out in big numbers to defeat Trump.

[vtsnowedin]

Nevada may vote early but that says nothing about Who they voted for.

[litesong]

That will make three war criminals in a row---

Native Tribes know that every president was a war criminal.

[litesong]

Hillary will never appoint another Republican to her administration. War on those bastards has been declared. No more liberal nice guys. It's Blood and Guts for the Iron Lady. That sh@t eating grin of hers (that we hated so much) is gone. The real Hillary has the b*lls that Bill never did.

Since re-pubic-lick-uns need to go extinct, don't need them in democratic administrations. I'll finish your comparison: liberal nice guys; sleazy, gerrymandering, UNDEMOCRATIC re-pubic-lick-uns. Three courts threw out kkk-backed (always small letters) re-pubic-lick-un voter suppression tactics, altho the courts haven't mentioned the kkk's(always small letters) endorsement for T-rump. AND the swarmy sideways grin Rudy Guliani had on its face, as it pranced about the FBI Weiner files two days before they were publicly announced, shows the slimy belly of re-pubic-lick-uns.

Despite T-rump rubbing shoulders with democrats, he knew he would never gain acceptance by democrats. Despite his rejection of many human groups & his lifetime strides toward kingship, re-pubic-lick-uns embraced him.

"pee-stare".... You're feeling bad, because you now understand that re-pubic-lick-uns will lose for the third straight time, because they can't pick proper human beings for presidential candidates.

[Sixstrings]

Hillary will never appoint another Republican to her administration. War on those bastards has been declared. No more liberal nice guys. It's Blood and Guts for the Iron Lady. That sh@t eating grin of hers (that we hated so much) is gone. The real Hillary has the b*lls that Bill never did.

Alright, that's the spirit! Iron Lady defender of the Left, Democrats and democracy, I like it.

Couple days to go, let's bring it home guys.. win one for Hilly!

[litesong]

Lite, didn't get that. Would you restate?

Yeah, I'll simplify fer dem re-pubic-lick-uns dat pretent dey don' unnastand. The kkk(always small letters) endorsed T-rump. Game over....'cept fer da kkk members & sympathizers.