Did you see this one: airplane Wi-FiROCKMAN wrote:Have you ever gone camping with pure city folks: hystertical and very sad at the same time. This thread brings to mind how some folks act as if life as they know it ends because their Internet goes down for 24 hours.
I believe that is Anchorage Alaska. I don't know as they still need them with modern oil and computerized ignition and fuel injection.ROCKMAN wrote:vt - A distant memory: some northern city installed outlets on some of their parking meters so folks could plug in their block heaters on very cold days.
ROCKMAN wrote:vt - Totally unrelated to the thread. But reminds me of a favorite story. Drilling horizontal wells during a Wyoming winter for ExxonMobil many moons ago. Cheap ass XOM had only an unheated porto-potty for me and the rig hands. And an asshole XOM engineer that wouldn't let us use the guest toilet in his trailer office even on very bad nights. At one point it hit -34F with a windchill at -51F. But at night when the engineer was sleeping a drill hand would unplug his block heater and run the line to a space heater in the head. And every morning the engineer would stomp around bitching about the trouble he had starting his truck.
It was always nice to start those bitter mornings off with a smile. LOL.
vtsnowedin wrote:Why would a curbside charger be any more difficult then a parking meter? Plug in and swipe your debit card and direct paid from your account. A nice little revenue raiser for cities that put them in.
As to building solar panels along the roadside I'd skip the fancy drive on surfaces or roofing and just do standard installations. Cost at present about $1.00 per installed watt. An acre of panels would cost about $750,000 and put out about 740KW of DC power.
Newfie wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Why would a curbside charger be any more difficult then a parking meter? Plug in and swipe your debit card and direct paid from your account. A nice little revenue raiser for cities that put them in.
As to building solar panels along the roadside I'd skip the fancy drive on surfaces or roofing and just do standard installations. Cost at present about $1.00 per installed watt. An acre of panels would cost about $750,000 and put out about 740KW of DC power.
Well the difference is POWs distribution. Parking meters are mechanical or solar. For charging stations you have to run daily heavy power cables. That means chopping up the sidewalk and running power feeders back from distribution points.
Rough Order of Magnitude guesstimate is $150/ft. Probably more, just for distribution. Then there is the feeder infrastructure, ROM about equal to sum of distribution.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:A couple years ago there was a scandal in Detroit because someone was electrocuted by a street light. The city workers had not replaced the base cover securely enough and someone removed it so they could access the wiring and steal power. At some point between the original hook up and the death the illegal power tap was functioning but either ignored or unnoticed. If you set up power taps for every parking space, or even many spaces how long before thieves manage to die and have their families suing the city?
ROCKMAN wrote:vt - Maybe they could set up a special catergory of Darwin Awards for electricity thieves.
Almost all New Hampshire construction is actually reconstruction and where conduits are being installed is usually an urban intersection where traffic must be maintained at all times. Such things as directional drilling and night work are employed routinely. I'll take my numbers over yours.Newfie wrote:VT,
Your prices are new construction. Your not used to working in prebuilt dense urban environments. I understand DOT unit pricing, doesn't work in this situation.
Newfie wrote:Right, exactly. Vermont is not Philly. No chance of directional boring. All cut and cover. Boonies.
Vermont, largest city Burlington. 43,000 population
PA, largest city Philadelohia. 1,533,000. 35 times the size.
Hell your whole STATE population is less than half the size of Philadelphia.
I've had the opposite experience of over estimating when going from a large NE perspective to a SE area. Costs can be much different.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest