[Cog]

I do not judge him. Scripture does.

Romans 14:
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

I will put in a good word for you Careinke.

[Sixstrings]

Just to note again, I pasted those Francis quotes and didn't think that last one could be bogus.

I'm glad Tanada pointed that out. So for this discussion, ignore that last quote pic -- it's made up, he didn't say it, it's not fair to criticize him over it.

So, he did NOT say that.

Otherwise, generally -- yes, Francis rides the line a bit on traditional Catholic teachings. But I've heard priests on tv before, CNN and such, explaining that really he does not veer away from standard teachings if you break it all down, what he's saying.

Francis is a pope with a pastoral background, and he's just doing what a good pastor ought to do -- he doesn't come at people judgmentally, but rather with acceptance. He builds bridges.

And I just like him. That's what a pastor ought to be -- no lear jet and rolls royce, no book deals and mega millions personal profit from the megachurch; Francis is humble, not ego-centric.

He's not a hypocrite, and walks the walk. ANYONE has to respect somebody like that, who is not a hypocrite. Whatever field we're talking about, doesn't have to be religion, it can be politics too -- like Bernie Sanders, and how consistent he has been in his career and life.

Bernie's "walked the walk" too, and never sold out. On working class issues, middle class issues, civil rights, bank regulation, consumer protection, world peace, climate change and the environment.

Here's part of Bernie's address at the Vatican conference today:

Bernie Sanders slams income inequality in Vatican speech
https://youtu.be/ZfKSwKGbcSQ

Bernie's press conference after, outside the Vatican walls:

LIVE: Bernie Sanders Vatican Press Conference After Vatican Visit 4/15/2016 [FULL SPEECH HD]
https://youtu.be/1dj5Jd2qXmA

(he talks a lot about climate change too, in that vid)

"I have been enormously impressed by Pope Francis, his speaking out, and his visionary views of a moral economy. An economy that works for all people and not just the people on top.

What he [Pope Francis] has said, over and over, is that we have got to ingrain moral principles into our economy." -- Bernie, in Rome today.

In that vid, you can see even Italians chanting, "Bernie, Bernie."

Bernie arriving in Rome:



Addressing the Vatican conference:

At Vatican, Bernie Sanders warns about 'immoral' wealth inequality
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-bernie-sanders-vatican-20160415-story.html

[Plantagenet]

Bernie just released his 2014 taxes.

He earned ca. $200,000 in 2014.

Thats less than greedy ol' Hillary earned for each one of her secret speeches on Wall Street.

[Sixstrings]

Bernie just released his 2014 taxes.

Clinton does deflection, a lot.

When asked to release her wall street speech transcripts, she said that if all the Republicans release theirs then she will too. By implication though, by her own words, it's sort of like saying everybody is crooked and she is crooked too so she'll air her laundry only if they do too. I just find that funny. It's flat admitting that she wouldn't want regular voters to see those speeches.

So why is she like this, it's just a darn speech. Makes me wonder what's in it, goodness.

But she won't release them, so all we can do is guess. Being fair to her, I would just assume it's very friendly talk to the bankers and it's language that's all about their itnerests and such and maybe that would be embarrassing.

At worst, the speeches would be VERY much pro their interests and would sound like she's all on their side in how to screw consumers over. So yeah, a candidate wouldn't want others to see that (not willingly releasing it, anyhow).

Maybe the secret speeches sound like the famous hidden video of Mitt Romney back in '12, when he was talking to hedge funders about "the poor" and how lazy they are. If that's the kind of stuff she was sayin' then yeah, I can see why she doesn't want people to read it.

But if it were just all straight up geopolitics / general government talk / her time as sec of state and it's all above board and nothing to hide and boring, then why NOT release it?

[Newfie]

I do not judge him. Scripture does.

Romans 14:
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

I will put in a good word for you Careinke.

Cog,

I respect your intellect when you apply it. You totally loose me when you quote scripture, be it from the bible or constitution. Both are work of man.

While I don't expect to, or even want to, change your mind on God, whatever gets you through the night....you should know that such arguments hold no water for me.

Now if you want to discuss based on merits, on your own personal thoughts and ideas, I'm all in.

Just in case you give a hoot.

[Cog]

When the discussion turned religious I referenced the most authoritative text related to Christianity. When it is a matter of law, I reference the Constitution. There are many here who have read neither or only have a vague idea of what is contained within.

When you guys discuss doom, you reference scientific journals or other articles and don't just spout your opinions, which are subject to considerable bias.

The text, in many cases speaks for itself. Since the Catholic Church accepts both Scripture and its Traditions as flawless and inspired of God, there should be no contradictions between the two. IMO when contradictions do occur, one must give way to the other. That is what I am pointing out with some of the Pope's statements.

[Newfie]

OK thanks

[vtsnowedin]

When the discussion turned religious I referenced the most authoritative text related to Christianity. When it is a matter of law, I reference the Constitution. There are many here who have read neither or only have a vague idea of what is contained within.

When you guys discuss doom, you reference scientific journals or other articles and don't just spout your opinions, which are subject to considerable bias.

The text, in many cases speaks for itself. Since the Catholic Church accepts both Scripture and its Traditions as flawless and inspired of God, there should be no contradictions between the two. IMO when contradictions do occur, one must give way to the other. That is what I am pointing out with some of the Pope's statements.

When I consider the writings in the Bible I keep in mind that the old testament was written by the sons of shepherds sometime around 600 BC and the new testament by members of the priesthood about 50 to 100 AD. The shepherds sons even if inspired tended to express things in terms their family members could understand hence the constant references to sheep and grassland. The New testament scribes were not above sticking in a line now and then that reinforced the importance and power of the priesthood.
Point being not every word in what we call the bible today was inspired by or dictated by god.
There are plenty of contradictions in the bible all put there by the failings of human hands holding a pen.

[Newfie]

Soooooooo....how's Bernie doing?

Dead or alive?

[Oneaboveall]

Bill Clinton: Sanders supporters would 'shoot every third person on Wall Street'

One of the few things I really haven't enjoyed about this primary: I think it's fine that all these young students have been so enthusiastic for her opponent and (he) sounds so good: 'Just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine,'" Clinton said at an event in Fort Washington, New York. He pointed to fewer people working on Wall Street since the Dodd-Frank Act was passed as proof that financial reforms that his wife supports are effective.

http://www.wcvb.com/politics/bill-clint ... t/39052576

[Sixstrings]

Oh this is some nice news, Pope Francis met with Bernie after all:

Pope meets with Bernie Sanders, thanks him for addressing Vatican on the 'moral economy'

Columbia University Professor Jeffrey Sachs told Reuters that the meeting took place in the Vatican guesthouse where the pope lives and where Sanders had spent the night after addressing a Vatican conference on social justice.

The Vatican had said before the conference that a meeting was not planned. Sachs said Sanders, who was accompanied by his wife, and the pope spoke for about five minutes. Sachs, his wife and a Vatican official were also in the room.

Sachs, who has advised the United Nations on climate change, said Sanders thanked the pope for his pronouncements on the need for morality in the global economy and statements in defense of the environment.

"The pope thanked the senator for coming to the meeting and for coming to speak about the moral economy," Sachs said.

Asked if the meeting could be interpreted as political, Sachs said: "This was absolutely not political. This is a senator who for decades has been speaking about the moral economy."
http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Pope-meets-with-Bernie-Sanders-thanks-him-for-addressing-Vatican-on-the-moral-economy-451397

Bernie Sanders Says It Was a ‘Real Honor’ to Meet Pope Francis
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-04-16/bernie-sanders-says-it-was-a-real-honor-to-meet-pope-francis

Thanks to Bernie Sanders, we now know how many big corporations don’t pay taxes

Bernie Sanders asked federal accountants to tally up how many major corporations pay nothing in federal income taxes, and now we know the answer. ...

Of the 1.6 million corporations active in the United States in 2012, 70 percent had no federal corporate income tax liability.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/14/thanks-to-bernie-sanders-we-now-know-how-many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes/

‘Sexy,’ ‘Powerful,’ ‘American’: Here’s How Bernie Sanders Supporters Say He Makes Them Feel
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/04/15/sexy-powerful-american-heres-how-bernie-sanders-supporters-say-he-makes-them-feel/

GOP Chief Says Sanders Would Be Tougher to Beat Than Clinton
http://time.com/4182980/republicans-rnc-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/

One of the things Reince Priebus said is that Bernie is "likable," which would be challenging to run against.

I've noticed this before, watching some Trump speeches, that really even Trump falls flat trying to find an angle on Bernie. And more interestingly, Trump praises Bernie quite often -- for his views on trade, anti globalist wars, and what he's been saying about Clinton and Wall Street. Also the unfairness of the superdelegates, and everyone saying "Bernie can't win" even though he's on a 7 out of 8 winning streak.

So I respect Trump for that, that's honesty there.

[vtsnowedin]

Soooooooo....how's Bernie doing?

Dead or alive?

Certainly not dead yet as much as the Hillary camp wishes it. I expect Bernie to do better then the polls in New York Tuesday. The question is by how much. If he were to tie her or be even get a half point or more ahead of her then the race would for all intents be in a flat tie and all the super delegates would really come back into play. If her just cuts her lead to single digits he may not have won but more importantly she will have failed to knock him out in her home state so the fight will go on. Then the national polls that show Bernie winning in November by much higher margins and her possibly losing to anyone besides Trump will haunt the dreams of all the powerful Democrats.

[Cog]

Hillary Clinton could lose New York and still get more delegates than Bernie in New York. Sanders is not going to be the nominee. Its not even a close thing. Establishment democrats, who comprise the bulk of the super-delegates, are not going to switch to Bernie.

[vtsnowedin]

Hillary Clinton could lose New York and still get more delegates than Bernie in New York. Sanders is not going to be the nominee. Its not even a close thing. Establishment democrats, who comprise the bulk of the super-delegates, are not going to switch to Bernie.

Well we will just have to see about that. Those "Establishment" Democrats are mostly carrier politicians and have their finger in the wind all the time and would vote for Genghis Khan the second they felt it was the surest way to maintain there own power and wealth.

[Cog]

The best way for those Dems to maintain power and wealth is to stay with an establishment Dem and not a socialist who is wanting to break up the big banks, destroy the private health insurance industry, and tax everyone out the wazoo. The Dems are well aware from which the money flows and it ain't Bernie.

[Newfie]

Sounds like you respect the guy a bit?

[Cog]

Not hardly. Bernie is a communist. Why would I respect someone like that?

[Quinny]

Why wouldn't you? Jesus was one

[Sixstrings]

[Cog]