[Shaved Monkey]

CNN and MSNBC are Russian agents striving to overthrow the American Democracy at the direction of Vladimir Putin.

People have lost faith in democracy when the best it can do is deliver a Trump

[Cog]

CNN and MSNBC are Russian agents striving to overthrow the American Democracy at the direction of Vladimir Putin.

People have lost faith in democracy when the best it can do is deliver a Trump

Quite the contrary. Trump is proof that the Republic is not quite dead.

[vtsnowedin]

If the media and the Dems get Trump removed from office anytime before January 2021 it will be a victory for Putin. He would probably be sabotaging a Hillary presidency as well only enlisting Fox news instead of CNN.

[Shaved Monkey]

The longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

[vtsnowedin]

The longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

It is not Trump I'm worried about, It is the American Republic. He is a bit player who has come and will soon go. The lasting damage to the trust the public has in the political process and the judiciary including the FBI is the real object of Putin's attack.

[Cog]

The longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

Yes because electing Hillary would have been so much more preferable.

[vtsnowedin]

The longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

Yes because electing Hillary would have been so much more preferable.

I Hillary had been elected we would by now know the contents of every one of those missing Emails and just what they gave in exchange for those speaking fees and Clinton foundation donations. If the house had stayed in GOP hands we would be watching the first impeachment hearings by now.

[evilgenius]

So, if Putin launched a misinformation campaign against Hillary Clinton because of his own dislike of her does that mean that Trump had anything to do with it? Trump had ties to Russia, but that doesn't mean he had anything to do with the campaign. It might only mean he wouldn't be a target. It's a good idea to investigate the situation simply because the most likely scenario may not be the actual scenario. To attach any more importance to the investigation than that is probably unfounded.

[onlooker]

The Deep State as always tried to undermine Russia as a natural adversary of it. Also, given that the MSM is a mouthpiece of the US govt. , only so much credence can be given to MSM stories

[rockdoc123]

Also, given that the MSM is a mouthpiece of the US govt. , only so much credence can be given to MSM stories

What?? Outside of Fox News each and every major outlet seems to jump at any opportunity to criticize the current government. They seem to be more a mouthpiece of the Democratic party which last time I looked isn't currently the "US govt".

[vtsnowedin]

The military-Industrial establishment including the deep state often uses Russia and the other socialist dictatorships as an excuse for increased military spending which they skim off of. They will switch between parties and pit one against the other whenever it is expedient to their aims and manipulate a gullible press and public without any morality, honor, or sense of duty or patriotism.

[onlooker]

The military-Industrial establishment including the deep state often uses Russia and the other socialist dictatorships as an excuse for increased military spending which they skim off of. They will switch between parties and pit one against the other whenever it is expedient to their aims and manipulate a gullible press and public without any morality, honor, or sense of duty or patriotism.

Yep that is why Eisenhower said "Beware the military-Industrial establishment "

[Cog]

Hawaii Emergency Alert Guy: Hold my beer and watch this.

[onlooker]

The Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

[vtsnowedin]

The Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

Question is just how did that false alarm happen? Could we be being hacked to set off false alarms to panic and terrorize the populace? Just as much panic without the expense of rocket fuel.

[onlooker]

The Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

Question is just how did that false alarm happen? Could we be being hacked to set off false alarms to panic and terrorize the populace? Just as much panic without the expense of rocket fuel.

The hacking is a good explanation as any at this point. Just make me think of the cybersecruity of the US , Russia and China nuclear arsenal. umm.

[Cog]

Democrat state, government worker. I don't know that we need any further explanation.

[evilgenius]

Why do people view a free press writing stories that appeal to a market as servile? Honestly, there is a bias against the press which states that it is the tool of someone's enemy, enemies being interchangeable. Right now, it's some version of the state. It can pitch over to become more pluralistic, corporation controlled. But isn't this just more fearmongering over the status of the wilderness as fear object. People see the socio-economic sphere as chaotic nowadays, and thus it supplants nature as the subject of fear, but all of the same mechanisms apply. Mostly, this kind of talk is people admitting they don't have enough wisdom to deal with what they are afraid of, but do understand that it is important. Just like with nature, they invent all kinds of animistic entities, the Illuminati or deep state, in order to try and understand the chaos. In the process, they reveal their reliance upon intent to show them what is going on.

[vtsnowedin]

Why do people view a free press writing stories that appeal to a market as servile? Honestly, there is a bias against the press which states that it is the tool of someone's enemy, enemies being interchangeable. Right now, it's some version of the state. It can pitch over to become more pluralistic, corporation controlled. But isn't this just more fearmongering over the status of the wilderness as fear object. People see the socio-economic sphere as chaotic nowadays, and thus it supplants nature as the subject of fear, but all of the same mechanisms apply. Mostly, this kind of talk is people admitting they don't have enough wisdom to deal with what they are afraid of, but do understand that it is important. Just like with nature, they invent all kinds of animistic entities, the Illuminati or deep state, in order to try and understand the chaos. In the process, they reveal their reliance upon intent to show them what is going on.

You must have had a job where you got paid by the syllable with a bonus for high grade reading comprehension levels.
To have a jaundiced view of what is put out by the media is only prudent. The press is indeed a tool for those who control it and if those in control are your enemy it is therefor an enemy tool.
But taking a realistic and guarded view of what the media and press put out is not to fear it or those in control of it. It rather only requires one to look closely at what is presented and beyond to the motives of the presenters to determine the truth or falsehood of what is being put forward under the guise of news.
In any given year there are numerous pieces from both sides that qualify for a "Dan Rather" award.

[evilgenius]

Maybe America was really just very lucky that it had an enemy like the Soviet Union at the same time as it grew the most? Having that enemy created a central set of agreements. Fear was transferred and kept from becoming fuel for division. The parties couldn't really lay into each other, or the country was at risk. That doesn't hold today, but neither are we growing in the same way.

I think a person has to ask themselves why they reject what they hear in the news. Was it because they didn't think of it first? It doesn't fit with their world view? They've been conditioned to think otherwise? Don't you need proof that something isn't credible when it comes from a trustworthy source? That's kind of the nature of investing trustworthiness in something. You don't have time to research over again everything they report to you, so you give them credit. It means that when they are wrong, for one thing, that they have procedures they go through to examine if their procedures for knowing the truth have gone wrong in some way. And they admit fault. One needs, at least, that much assurance. Towing the party line, however, is an egregious twisting of the concept.

There are reasons why the actual crime rate can be down for some time, and a person interviewed on the street will go on as if it were at an all time high. Those reasons include propaganda and the news, but are much more likely tied to that person's fears. What do you do with the news? Do you allow it to inform you, and see what that knowledge means in relation to what you think you already know, or do you reject what doesn't fit out of hand? Would you ever allow knowledge to change your mind on something as basic as whether you felt conservatism or liberalism was valid? Ah, there's a point. Perhaps wholesale terms like those are too all inclusive. Would you allow a mix of interpretations to take over, which don't bow and scrape to either ideal and were tied to and subject to knowledge? Would you allow the existence of truth that doesn't place you at the center? Do you need truth to herald your group? If so, what do you require that it do with the others?