[Plantagenet]

Be Careful When Placing Blame for Today’s Shooting on Anyone but the Perpetrator

?????

We don't know yet if the Perp was the only one involved. Did anyone help him buy the guns? Who did he stay with in the DC area? What other D extremists was he in contact with? All these things have to be investigated quickly, in case the D extremists strike again.

Its certainly possible the D extremist who carried out this terror attack was a lone wolf with no connection to other extremist Ds, rather than part of an organized terror cell of Democratic extremists. But early reports show he was a trump hater and a Bernie Bro, rather than a lone wolf. Is that why he committed this terror attack? We don't know yet.

We just don't know all the facts yet.

IMHO we should wait for the FBI investigation to be concluded before making any assumptions. Its possible there may be more D extremists like this guy out there and this attack might be part of a larger terror plot by D extremists with more attacks planned. If this guy can be linked to more D extremists or maybe even is part of an organized D terror network, lets hope the FBI can round them all up before they strike again.

Cheers!


Was the shooter connected with other violent D terrorist groups? Who were his associates? Who helped him carry out the terror attack? The FBI needs to find this out quick.

[asg70]

So quickly we forget radical right-winger shooters like Dylan Roof.



I mean, according to Plantagenet we should just ban the democratic party and proclaim Trump emperor and be done with it.

[Plantagenet]

according to Plantagenet we should just ban the democratic party and proclaim Trump emperor and be done with it.

Why the lies? I never posted anything like that and I don't think those things.

Try calming down and discussing the issues. This whole site will be a lot more interesting if we talk about the issues instead of wasting time with silly lies, OK?

Cheers!

[mmasters]

I think it's safe to say like most Bernie supporters this guy had no common sense.

[Plantagenet]

I think it's safe to say like most Bernie supporters this guy had no common sense.

Whoa there. I was a Bernie supporter. And Bernie himself has denounced the shooter's actions.

The motive for this seems to be the irrational hatred of Trump and the Rs that is being pushed by many in the D party rather than anything specifically to do with Bernie.

Cheers!

[asg70]

Try calming down and discussing the issues.

ROFL

Stop trying to hide behind plausible deniability and projection. Your political bias and attempt to spin is obvious to all.

Oh, and while picking up a gun is not the answer, hatred of Trump is perfectly rational. His bull in a China shop incompetence may wind up touching off WWIII, for instance, let alone the danger he poses to constitutional checks and balances with his "you're fired" approach to squelching dissent and killing investigations.

[Plantagenet]

hatred of Trump is perfectly rational.

I'll agree its rational to criticize Trump when you disagree with his policies, but hatred? Hatred is innately emotional and leads on to anger and rage and irrationality. The D extremist who attacked the R Congressmen today also thought hatred of Trump was perfectly OK, and look where his hatred took him. Dylan Roof, whose picture you posted above, hated black people and look where it took him.

As Oscar Wilde said, "Hatred is blind."

Its our patriotic duty as Americans to dissent when we disagree with the President and his policies, but IMHO reasoned, intelligent dissent is far far better than blind hatred.

Cheers!

[Satori]

hatred is like any other emotion
carried to an extreme and it leads to problems
kept in check in can be quite useful
kinda like fire

Noun 1. hatred - the emotion of intense dislikehatred - the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

that "action " could involve actual criminal behavior
or it could involve becoming politically active

[Newfie]

I believe you have the wrong person Newfie and might want to edit that. Give me a minute.

This is the person and her bio pic on the site matches her twitter pic. Donna Potter

https://www.donnapotterconsulting.net/

Cog,

I'm not 100% sure so I deleted my link. But the domain name matched. I'm sure it will be clarified in the future.

[Newfie]

Strong emotions here, we see where that leads.

Lets use this incident to reinforce our desires to have civil discourse.

I have a very hard time to see hatred as "rational", nor love for that matter. They are human emotions that, almost by definition, defy reason. Unmitigated they are descriptors of extreme emotional states. If that does not make sense then you need to chat with some more folks outside your immediate cohort to gain a more balanced perspective.

[Outcast_Searcher]

Noun 1. hatred - the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

that "action " could involve actual criminal behavior
or it could involve becoming politically active

Like actually bothering to vote?

I figure the "all Trump things whining" all day every day by the left, unceasing in volume, regardless of whether actions merit complaints (as various doozies of Trump's certainly do) or are no big deal, is aimed precisely at trying to get groups like the urban poor wound up to actually vote in 2018 and 2020.

Active, based on intelligent discourse and resulting actions motivated by a meaningful understanding of key issues -- nah, I wouldn't expect that.

It would be nice if both sides would actually start doing things like putting up good candidates, and doing something MEANINGFUL about key issues instead of trying to pick up a few marginal votes for the next election, and to hell with the taxpayers. But it seems it's too late to hope for that.

[Cog]

The shooter had moved to Alexandria in April. This might be how the shooter found out about the daily practice sessions by Congress at the ball field. From an April 12, 2017 article by the New York Times. This also explains his question to one of the Congressmen departing the practice about who was playing that day so he could target Republicans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/us/p ... .html?_r=0

But when the billionaire Wilbur L. Ross Jr., the commerce secretary, goes to dinner at a fancy Georgetown restaurant, bodyguards sit nearby. When members of Congress practice in the early mornings in an Alexandria, Va., public park for their Congressional Baseball Game, plainclothes United States Capitol Police are sitting there in a black S.U.V.

[Plantagenet]

Another extremist D makes threats against the Rs in Congress

ny-rep-received-threatening-email-after-virginia-shooting

The FBI hasn't done a very good job of identifying who the leakers are (except for Comey, who outed himself as a leaker). Hopefully they'll do a better job of finding the D extremists making threats against the Rs in Congress.

Cheers!

[Satori]

that email could have been sent by ANYONE
could just as easily be an alt-right type pretending to be a lefty

[Plantagenet]

that email could have been sent by ANYONE
could just as easily be an alt-right type pretending to be a lefty

True enough. Or it could be from another stone cold extremist D killer. Given that a extremist D just attacked a group of R Congressmen, a threat from someone claiming to be another extremist D out to attack R Congressmen needs to be taken seriously.

Get it now?

Cheers!

[asg70]

that email could have been sent by ANYONE
could just as easily be an alt-right type pretending to be a lefty

True enough. Or it could be from another stone cold extremist D killer. Given that a extremist D just attacked a group of R Congressmen, a threat from someone claiming to be another extremist D out to attack R Congressmen needs to be taken seriously.

Get it now?

Cheers!

Why don't we just split the country into red and blue states and if people want to fight they can do so at some maginot line because your dehumanizing/generalization rhetoric sure as hell attempts to move us in that direction.

BTW, I'd have to look back in the archives but I'd guess you were clutching at your pearls over Trumps supporters being called deplorables. You're one of the worst moral hypocrites I've ever seen, but then all political ideologues are.

[Newfie]

ASG,

That's an ad hominem.

[KaiserJeep]

So quickly we forget radical right-winger shooters like Dylan Roof.



I mean, according to Plantagenet we should just ban the democratic party and proclaim Trump emperor and be done with it.

Right wing? Dylan Roof is a Democrat, and lest you forget, Gov. George Wallace, the very symbol of Segregation, was a Democrat. Robert Byrd, Senate Majority Leader for decades, was a KKK member with the high rank of Wizard. The Democratic Party has long been and remains the haven of intolerence and terror.

When he was running for president in 2000, Vice President Al Gore told the NAACP that his father, Senator Al Gore Sr., had lost his Senate seat because he voted for the Civil Rights Act. Uplifting story — except it’s false. Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act. He lost in 1970 in a race that focused on prayer in public schools, the Vietnam War, and the Supreme Court.

Al Gore’s reframing of the relevant history is the story of the Democratic party in microcosm. The party’s history is pockmarked with racism and terror. The Democrats were the party of slavery, black codes, Jim Crow, and that miserable terrorist excrescence, the Ku Klux Klan. Republicans were the party of Lincoln, Reconstruction, anti-lynching laws, and the civil rights acts of 1875, 1957, 1960, and 1964. Were all Republicans models of rectitude on racial matters? Hardly. Were they a heck of a lot better than the Democrats? Without question.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420321/whitewashing-democratic-partys-history-mona-charen

It seems that unable to accept their very real record of hatred and bigotry, the Democrats prefer to rewrite and deny the actual history.

[Satori]

oh please
the Democratic Party of today is nothing like what it used to be
and neither is the Republican Party

[jesus_of_suburbia]

You mean just like the Right insisted that the last "duly elected government" was run by a secret Kenyan Muslim who wasn't born in this country or how they conflated fake voter registration with in-person voter fraud (which is almost non-existent)?

A movement championed by the current fucking president! How can people have such short memories?

Dissident is pretty much the Ben Carson of PO.com. Brilliant in one subject (climate science) and an off-the-wall looney on just about everything else.