vtsnowedin wrote:I notice that the likelihood of being murdered didn't drop all that much just the method of your demise.Shaved Monkey wrote:The likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in Australia after introducing strict gun control
Australia introduced it after a lone gunman killed 35 people
Since then Australia has not suffered another mass shooting. (5 or more people)
Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns.
In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 80671.html
vtsnowedin wrote:OK a bit of explanation, or at least a plausible explanation. The reason he had such a large number of rifles in the room is because when you fire a rifle on full automatic for any length of time the barrel gets red hot (+1400 degrees F. ) and if you continue to fire it it will malfunction or even blow up in your face. So his plan was to fire a weapon through a clip or two then set it aside to cool and pick up the next weapon in the line and repeat the process.
If the cops had not determined which room he was in and started their assault he wold of methodically used every round of ammunition he had in the room before he was done.
evilgenius wrote:Some kind of required education for gun owners would be good. Where I live, they make hunters take a hunter's safety class. It teaches things like the trajectory bullets take when they ricochet.
Cog wrote:But do we trust the FBI to ever give us that motive? What I'm saying is if this guy was a Confederate flag waving, Nascar watching, Trump voting, Putin supporting white supremacist, I have a feeling we would already know all about him.
Yyou lost me with this one.evilgenius wrote:Some kind of required education for gun owners would be good. Where I live, they make hunters take a hunter's safety class. It teaches things like the trajectory bullets take when they ricochet. They don't bounce off like light. They only differ from the ground, in this instance of a parking lot, and travel in the same direction a few inches above. It makes you wonder how many of the victims took shots in vital places because they got down? Never mind that horror, though, a gun owner safety class might help prevent children getting hold of guns and shooting whatever tiny fingers pulling triggers can. It might teach people not to shoot themselves in the leg or foot. Firing a few rounds in the class might help newcomers appreciate what weapon kickback is like, and be ready for it if they have to defend themselves. Also, it might be a good place to offer contact details for those who can help people who suffer from depression and other forms of mental conditions that might lead to suicide or murder. Just the contact details, without pushing anything on people. That might be enough to save some people. Trying to save everybody from this position might inflict too much harm on people's perceived 'rights' for anything like this to get passed.
I would like to see some scenario recognition teaching as well, but that might also be a bridge too far. Imagine an attack like this in a place where the crowd has an average, or above average, level of gun possession. Imagine it being the kind of attack where people feel certain that the shooter must be nearby, close to them in the crowd. Now, imagine what would happen when people started to pull out their guns. It would be like that moment in the Arthurian legend where the two armies were seeking peace, but a soldier pulled his sword because a snake came out by his feet, total pandemonium.
I don't think you can even begin to address domestic violence and guns in such a class. Most men are far too proud to accept that anybody could tell them anything. Those with anger issues aren't going to listen anyway. Again, you could provide contact details. You might be able to slip in a few important things, like the importance of being able to communicate well enough to defend yourself verbally from your woman. Again, maybe a bridge too far. Pride goeth before the fall.
Gun safety should never have anything to do with arguing with your wife.You might be able to slip in a few important things, like the importance of being able to communicate well enough to defend yourself verbally from your woman.
Newfie wrote:And none of this address' the guns in that 20-29 yo black male group. i can't see the point of running them through a hunter safety education class, although I too have attended multiple times. These guys are not hunting rabbits.
The problems with that group are manifold. Lack of education, skills, male role models, job opportunities, bias' against them, etc. They are not dumb, they do what they do because it makes sense in their situation. To change those gun death statistics you need to change their situation. And that idea is going nowhere fast.
Newfie wrote:As to the Vegas shooter, we have 330,000,000 people in the USA, What are the chances that at least one of them is nuts enough to do this? Think about your high school class, any nutters in that crowd?
Vegas is just statistics. Sad and horrible, but extremely hard to eradicate.
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