vtsnowedin wrote:Well considering the abject failure of our public schools today, especially for inner city schools with high minority populations, trying something different, even if that something different is not a proven winner, is better then doing nothing.
Suppose a student was assigned to read a lot of the Bible (or Koran if you prefer). At least he or she would become competent at reading and could read and comprehend other sources later like the instruction manuals to their companies newest robotic machine.
Plantagenet wrote:jedrider wrote: The current SC is a religious spearhead into a multicultural secular nation.
Not really. As Careinke noted above, religious people have freedom of speech just like non religious people do.
Personally, this is one SCOTUS ruling I support.
IMHO We should all be cheering when the SCOTUS supports individual rights over the state.jedrider wrote: The court's liberal justices said the decision weakens separation of church and state.
The constitution doesn't call for a "separation of church and state.
What the Constitution says is that the state cannot establish a state religion. The liberals have got this all backward----the FIRST AMENDMENT to the constitution isn't about limiting individual rights----its about restricting the power of the STATE. Its just silly to claim that a football coach praying after a game establishes a state religion, or that a soccer player thanking god when he scores a goal establishes a state religion.
People praying in public after sporting events.....even praying on TV DURING sporting events...... does not establish a state religion and is therefore protected by the constitutionjedrider wrote:Taking a prayer in public as a controlling figure, basically forcing EVERYONE to part take of this Christian ritual
What nonsense. Are you incapable of walking away or turning your head or closing your eyelids? No one is forcing you to watch anything. Try to be a little bit tolerant of other people instead of being so biased and prejudiced against people who have different beliefs then you do.jedrider wrote: if a Muslim tried praying to Alah like that, he would never get employment again.
Please don't start posting crazy anti-Muslim nonsense. There are millions of Muslims in this country who pray several times a day and are gainfully employed as well. Its bad enough you post anti-Catholic conspiracy theories....there is no need for you to start in on the Muslims too.
Cheers!
C8 wrote:The first amendment has two parts related to religion:
1. The Federal Govt. can't establish an official religion (the Establishment Clause)
2. The Federal Govt. can't interfere with the free expression/practice of religion (The Free Exercise Clause)
The 14th amendment incorporated these protections into state government actions
Like all rights, there are limits created by the rights of others and essential govt. interests (such as internal order, national security, safety, etc.) No right is absolute and differing opinions can see the same action in differing ways.
In part of Minnesota, the call to prayer for Muslims is broadcast on loud speakers in some neighborhoods- is that free exercise or does the allowed violation of noise ordinances by city govt. create an establishment of a favored religion? If a church bell is allowed to ring- is that a broadcast of faith? Many issues are very complicated.
vtsnowedin wrote:A look at the congressional district map shows that abortion will remain legal in 51% of congressional districts so half the women in America will experience no change. Women in five states will have to cross two state or national borders to access a abortion clinic.
vtsnowedin wrote:A look at the congressional district map shows that abortion will remain legal in 51% of congressional districts so half the women in America will experience no change. Women in five states will have to cross two state or national borders to access a abortion clinic.
I am aware of that but some of the reddest of pro lifers want to make that pill illegal and want to prosecute anyone that transports it into their state. They and others want to make all forms of contraception illegal as well. They are as extreme on their side as the pro choicers on the other that want due date partial birth abortions legal.Plantagenet wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:A look at the congressional district map shows that abortion will remain legal in 51% of congressional districts so half the women in America will experience no change. Women in five states will have to cross two state or national borders to access a abortion clinic.
You're only considering surgical abortions.
Those days are long gone, except for rare cases with complications.
The abortion pill has been available in the USA for about 20 years.
This pill is available over the internet and this will safely and reliably produce an abortion in the vast majority of women.
People can order it over the internet and have it delivered to their home in a couple of days.
plannedparenthood-the-abortion-pill
As usual the Ds want to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt in attempt to scare people into voting for them.
But thanks to modern technology abortions today can done just by taking a pill.
Cheers!
jedrider wrote:careinke wrote:Pretty sure free speech also falls under the constitution.jedrider wrote:Now, prayers in school. I think my points were well-made. The current SC is a religious spearhead into a multicultural secular nation.
Peace
Evidently:A 6-3 majority said that coach's prayers were a form of private speech, protected by the First Amendment. The court's liberal justices said the decision weakens separation of church and state.
So, taking a 'knee', they can fire you. Taking a prayer in public as a controlling figure, basically forcing EVERYONE to part take of this Christian ritual (in an unheard of fashion - must be the 'free speech' part).
I think us 'liberals' are awe-struck! Obviously, it has NOTHING, ZIP to do with free speech, because if a Muslim tried praying to Alah like that, he would never get employment again.
vtsnowedin wrote:]I am aware of that but some of the reddest of pro lifers want to make that pill illegal and want to prosecute anyone that transports it into their state.
vtsnowedin wrote:I am aware of that but some of the reddest of pro lifers want to make that pill illegal and want to prosecute anyone that transports it into their state. They and others want to make all forms of contraception illegal as well. They are as extreme on their side as the pro choicers on the other that want due date partial birth abortions legal.Plantagenet wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:A look at the congressional district map shows that abortion will remain legal in 51% of congressional districts so half the women in America will experience no change. Women in five states will have to cross two state or national borders to access a abortion clinic.
You're only considering surgical abortions.
Those days are long gone, except for rare cases with complications.
The abortion pill has been available in the USA for about 20 years.
This pill is available over the internet and this will safely and reliably produce an abortion in the vast majority of women.
People can order it over the internet and have it delivered to their home in a couple of days.
plannedparenthood-the-abortion-pill
As usual the Ds want to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt in attempt to scare people into voting for them.
But thanks to modern technology abortions today can done just by taking a pill.
Cheers!
\ Hopefully the country will come to something more sensible near the middle.
Plantagenet wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:]I am aware of that but some of the reddest of pro lifers want to make that pill illegal and want to prosecute anyone that transports it into their state.
Yes, and some of the most rabid progressives want to allow women to have abortions right up until the moment a child is born and there are a few who would even "abort" some babies even after birth.
At some point you have to ignore the rabid fanatics on both the right and the left and let the sensible middle decide how to do things.
Personally, I think the invention of the abortion pill makes the need for abortion clinics essentially obsolete anyway so I'm not all that concerned that abortion clinics are closing in some states.
I predict local drug dealers will soon be selling marijuana, opioids, Fentanyl and heroin, cocaine, AND ABORTION PILLS wherever there is demand and wherever these things aren't legally available.....including all the states that imagine they are outlawing abortion by outlawing abortion clinics. If drug dealers can get illegal drugs into every city in this country, then they will also be able to get abortion pills into every city in this country.
Surprise!!! Your friendly local drug dealer will soon also be selling abortion pills in red states (and everywhere else).
CheerS!
evilgenius wrote:There is no substitute for facing the fact that women have rights.
JuanP wrote:women ... will probably go back to not having rights in another handful of generations.
Plantagenet wrote:JuanP wrote:women ... will probably go back to not having rights in another handful of generations.
Nonsense. Why would that happen?
Who (other than Islamist fundamentalists) believes in depriving women of their rights?
IMHO all we have to do is stop Al Qaida and other Muslim fundamentalists from taking over and women's rights should be in no danger.
Cheers!
vtsnowedin wrote: They are as extreme on their side as the pro choicers on the other that want due date partial birth abortions legal.
vtsnowedin wrote:Hopefully the country will come to something more sensible near the middle.
evilgenius wrote:You know what Plant, that's not far off of my absurd solution for American healthcare. Flippantly, I've said before that America ought to just make everything legal, no prescriptions. Advertise like hell. Then let everybody decide for themselves what they need, based upon what they believed was going on. That way, the free market reigns.
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