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US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 19:31:37

Yoshua wrote: Who created ISIS? Most likely Iran, Iraq and Syria to legitimise a massacre of the Sunni populations in Iraq and Syria.


Don't forget the role the Obama administration's ill-fated TIMBER SYCAMORE program played in arming ISiS.

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TIMBER SYCAMORE was the secret CIA program that saw the CIA working with Saudi Arabia and Jordan in training, arming and funding jihadi Sunni rebels in Syria. Timber Sycamore was authorized by President Obama in 2013 as part of his failed effort to oust the Assad regime in Syria. The Obama administration knew that they were training arming thousands of radical jihadists in Syria---"A classified US State Department cable signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reported that Saudi donors were a major support for Sunni militant forces globally, and some American officials worried that rebels being supported had ties to Al Qaeda.[19]"

Even worse, we know now that some US arms sent to Syria went straight to ISIS. "A 2017 study conducted by private company[29] Conflict Armament Research at the behest of the European Union and Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale Zusammenarbeit found that external support for anti-Assad Syrian rebels "significantly augmented the quantity and quality of weapons available to [ISIL] forces,"[3] including, in the most rapid case diversion they documented,[3] "anti-tank weapons purchased by the United States that ended up in possession of the Islamic State within two months of leaving the factory."[30]

After 9/11, its hard to imagine anything more stupid then the US CIA providing arms to jihadists, but that clearly happened under the Obama administration where weapons and ammunition purchased by the US went to the Al Quaeda-linked Al Nusra front and to ISiS.

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President Obama authorized the CIA to train and arm thousands of jihadi rebels in Syria under the Obama administration, including Sunni jihadists in the al Nusra front and iSiS, as part of his failed effort to topple the Assad regime in Syria.

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 19:51:14

Iranian State TV has announced they are placing a bounty on President Trump

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I'm not sure if this announcement is part of an official Islamic religious FATWA or not, but since Iran is an Islamic state one would have to assume this has been approved in some way by the grand Ayatollah.

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Iran issues threat against Trump

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 20:05:33

Plantagenet wrote:Iranian State TV has announced they are placing a bounty on President Trump

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Well, IF Iran has credible cyber warfare capability in the US, that should be enough to spur certain anti-US groups to try, I suppose.

Although, kind of like with the mob, I would think trying to collect such a bounty would be highly dangerous, even after the deed is done.

In reality, if they're "revenge" is mainly posturing and empty threats, that doesn't exactly help their credibility.

Time will tell.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Yoshua » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 20:59:52

The Free Syrian Army was initially soldiers who deserted the Syrian army. They were pro democracy and allied with the West, Turkey and the Gulf States.

Assad released salafist extremists from prisons and ISIS sent jihadist from Iraq into Syria. They took over territories from the FSA and a lot of FSA fighters then joined ISIS and Nusra. Some FSA groups were just criminals selling weapons.

Anyway...the rebel groups turned into terrorist groups and enemies to the West, Turkey and the Gulf States.

The U.S became Iraq's and Syria's air force and wiped out ISIS.

In Iraq the Shia militias moved in after U.S bombings and massacred Sunni civilians. Those are the militias that glorified Suleimani.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 21:08:06

We should just get out:
You mess with navigation, we strike
You mess with Israel, we strike

Other than that we are outta there, good luck with your personal feuds.

There is no winning in this pig sty, the only way to win is to walk out.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 05 Jan 2020, 21:45:14

Plantagenet wrote:Iranian State TV has announced they are placing a bounty on President Trump


+1

Maybe Iran will get Trump out of office in a way impeachment can't (thanks to GOP tribalism).

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If they manage this, the american public should send them a thank-you bouquet.

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby careinke » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 00:32:50

Newfie wrote:We should just get out:
You mess with navigation, we strike
You mess with Israel, we strike

Other than that we are outta there, good luck with your personal feuds.

There is no winning in this pig sty, the only way to win is to walk out.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 02:05:14

Trump threatens EXACTLY 52 sites, including cultural heritage sites, if Iran does anything construed as revenge.

That's a very asinine statement to make. So, if only 51 sites are attacked, Trump doesn't make good on his promise?

Trump's 52 Sites Twitter Threat
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a30402232/trump-iran-threat-52-sites-twitter/
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Cog » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 05:35:30

Perhaps the 52 sites have Confederate war hero statues on them. Sure way to get the left on board with destroying them.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 05:51:08

Newfie wrote:Think about this in context. Consequence of planning?

https://gcaptain.com/turbo-activation-1 ... a-trickle/

These issues I would credit to a situation where *business have gone too big and fragmented to be coordinated efficiently*.
One of symptoms of imperial overstretch.
There is also plenty of in-fighting within military for funds, contracts and privileges. Such activity may amount to sabotage in certain circumstances.
There is a possibility that politicians involved in distribution of funds don't see support vessels as important. Why not to build another aircraft carrier and get rid of all of them?
Such attitude is obviously dumb but what one can expect of politicians these days?
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 05:54:09

jedrider wrote:Trump threatens EXACTLY 52 sites, including cultural heritage sites, if Iran does anything construed as revenge.

Palmyra and ISIS comes to mind.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 13:46:15

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
jedrider wrote:Trump threatens EXACTLY 52 sites, including cultural heritage sites, if Iran does anything construed as revenge.

Palmyra and ISIS comes to mind.


You mean, an act of outright 'TERRORISM'!
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:04:34

Informed Comment
https://www.juancole.com/

Has a lot of useful information on US/Iran/Iraq and Juan Cole just gave an interview on KPFA.

So, the Iran General was on a diplomatic mission in Iraq to meet with Saudi officials on the invite of Iraqi Prime Minister to calm tensions in the region -- all very public, no snoops required to figure that out.

Evidently, the US war machine doesn't like that.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:07:44

jedrider wrote:
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
jedrider wrote:Trump threatens EXACTLY 52 sites, including cultural heritage sites, if Iran does anything construed as revenge.

Palmyra and ISIS comes to mind.


You mean, an act of outright 'TERRORISM'!

More like stupidity.
Threats to mindlessly destroy cultural heritage even if it is not a military target.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby cupertina » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:26:38

Makes the most sense ever. But then there's the oil.


Newfie wrote:We should just get out:
You mess with navigation, we strike
You mess with Israel, we strike

Other than that we are outta there, good luck with your personal feuds.

There is no winning in this pig sty, the only way to win is to walk out.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:47:19

EnergyUnlimited wrote:....mindlessly destroy cultural heritage even if it is not a military target.


Lets give credit where credit is due.....

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:49:57

jedrider wrote:Informed Comment
https://www.juancole.com/

Has a lot of useful information on US/Iran/Iraq and Juan Cole just gave an interview on KPFA.

So, the Iran General was on a diplomatic mission in Iraq to meet with Saudi officials on the invite of Iraqi Prime Minister to calm tensions in the region -- all very public, no snoops required to figure that out.

Evidently, the US war machine doesn't like that.

So, you're going to deny he has played a part in actively killing lots of US troops over time?
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 15:56:55

I'm all for freedom of expression.

In fact, if the clowns on Capitol Hill made it illegal to burn an American flag, THAT's something that would make me want to burn lots of them in protest (first amendment rights, etc).

OTOH, as a thought experiment, I wonder what proportion of the folks burning American flags, etc. in the Middle East would want to literally kill people who disrespect the Koran or Allah, even if it's just mild speech, but speech they disagree with?

The lack of tolerance and perspective on both sides is rather sad, IMO.


Same as it ever was when it comes to war, I suppose.
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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby cupertina » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 16:01:53

The videos of the strike, the aftermath (video and pics) show major FUBAR. He was barely recognizable but his ring survived the strike. He's definitely dead.

Plantagenet wrote:The US just killed the Iranian general who leads the Revolutionary Guards (al Quds) forces and manages Iran's overseas interventions in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc. On Trump's orders a Reaper Drone fired 4 missiles into a group of vehicles carrying the general. Iran is now threatening revenge. Also killed was the leader of an iraqi militia force allied with Iran----the same Iraqi group that attacked the US embassy earlier this week.

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Iran is now threatening revenge.

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The Ds are also upset because Trump didn't ask them first. Perhaps the Ds will now vote another article of impeachment against Trump to punish him for killing this man who all agree was involved in the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers of Iraq in the 1990s.

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Re: US vs. IRAN: There will be blood

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 06 Jan 2020, 16:07:28

jedrider wrote:
So, the Iran General was on a diplomatic mission in Iraq to meet with Saudi officials on the invite of Iraqi Prime Minister to calm tensions in the region -- all very public, no snoops required to figure that out.


Right-O. And perhaps he was in Lebanon the day before meeting with the head of Hezbollah to encourage moves toward peace with Israel??????

Right-O. What a nice fantasy.

Of course, in reality Solemanni never spent a day in his life trying to calm tensions in the Middle East. The man spent all his time building up Shia militias and terrorist groups under the control of iran, but perhaps he totally changed his ways on the flight to Baghdad that night???

Maybe?????

If you're gullible and naive?????

If so, then its too bad the world never got to see the "new" him.

But back here in the real world that claim really isn't credible.

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Good-bye Gen. Sulemanni ......... and good riddance

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