EnergyUnlimited wrote:Complexity alone is insufficient for life to proceed. Ability of system to process information is critical.
REAL Green wrote: “Universality is “an intriguing mystery…Why do certain laws seem to emerge from complex systems, he asked, “almost regardless of the underlying mechanisms driving those systems at the microscopic level?” https://www.quantamagazine.org/beyond-t ... -20141015/
When it comes to a complete life it is better if science keeps to itself and spirituality to itself. A separation is in order reflecting human duality. The ego and the sacred can produce demons and in some ways science and spirituality is similar to this human condition.
Science is the problem now.
Physics is seeking the deepest realities of life like singularity.
The whole discussion of a 100% renewable world is another. Cover the world in pannels and turbines is absurd. Humans are out of control because of the quest for knowledge without limits.
The higher power maintains balance and harmony by nature of its design. No way of knowing the higher power but that does not mean it should not be respected or the consequences are horrendous. Science can’t explain this because it breaks apart things in study instead of beholding all at once. Nothing can behold all at once and if it could it would stop in paralysis.
jedrider wrote:EnergyUnlimited wrote:Complexity alone is insufficient for life to proceed. Ability of system to process information is critical.
Complexity and ability to reproduce are the only two requirements. Again, what does 'informatiion' mean?
A virus is 'alive' by that definition BTW.
Simon_R wrote:Interesting Subject, seems though, that no-one has defined what life is
Also there seems to be a confusion between the method of carrying information (Book/RNA) and the information itself, effectively what is information ?
Simon_R wrote:Seems to me, without an observer there is no experiment or information.
Simon_R wrote:Seems to me, without an observer there is no experiment or information.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Simon_R wrote:Seems to me, without an observer there is no experiment or information.
There are no indications at all where is the truth.
Simon_R wrote:Hi Energy
To be fair the conundrum is way old than modern bright things, the old philosophical problem
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make any noise.
we are now just saying if no one enters the forest has the tree fallen
I would argue that in any discussion like this experimentation is a flawed medium, as you are then simply playing a statistical game (ie if I conduct an experiment and it works, do I conduct more, and if so, surely that is an acknowledgement of the flawed nature of this method of proof)
Talking about making a quantum system make a choice is leading you dangerously close to a planned universe, paradoxically the very thing (I was told) that the multiverse theory was setup to counteract
Thanks
Simon
REAL Green wrote:Great ideas to ponder, EU. I would say this as a non-scientist pondering things, there is a point where human duality can't go. There is a point where the part can't know the whole. This is where science stops and the metaphysical of spirituality starts or maybe better why they should be separate. Human meaning is a dualistic exercise of contemplating right and wrong of things not only with morality but in the reality of things. Reality is what it is. Even if reality is being many realities like a quantum view there is still an "isness" that can’t be reduced by science to decipher if this is the case. It is very apparent the more we know the more questions arise.
Simon_R wrote:Talking about making a quantum system make a choice is leading you dangerously close to a planned universe, paradoxically the very thing (I was told) that the multiverse theory was setup to counteract
jedrider wrote:Bell's Theorem
Basically, the non-locality of wave function collapse of entangled states, one of the corner stones of quantum theory.
I believe it basically 'proves' that even entangled particles do not have any pre-determined state that can be measured until their wave function collapses.
Non-locality is something that is hard to get one's head around after Einstein demonstrated that the speed of light is a constant limit.
What if the Universe is a giant synchronized metronome and that resolves the wave function collapse enigma? The metronome's function is to introduce quantum randomness, like shaking the numbers in a powerball jar. That gives a purely mechanical interpretation of quantum mechanics. It is something a post Renaissance scientist/engineer could build a model of.
Would that get around Bell's Theorem?
Ibon wrote:As a child my friends and I would sleep under the stars on warm summer nights, all in our sleeping bags side by side in someones back yard looking up at the heavens. I remember back then and only being 12 years old we were already questioning infinity and the nature of the universe, the existence of god, and if there is an end of the universe there always has to be something on the other side.
Those warm summer nights germinated so much of my world view that I still carry with me to this day.
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