[Newfie]

Some background here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Love it or hate it?

Is it coming or here?

[Subjectivist]

Sounds like a system that breeds compliance and stifles creativity to me.

[Ibon]

Is it coming or here?

Herding excess humans into compliance is a popular trend this century as a direct consequence of human ecological overshoot.

To answer your question if it can happen here, the answer is it already has.

Have a look at the illustrations on the following link.

https://theultralinx.com/2018/04/20-bru ... e-live-in/

Any doubts?

[Plantagenet]

The Chinese have created something very much like the socialist dystopia George Orwell wrote about in 1984.

In 1984 the all powerful state watched all its citizens carefully and kept files on them and repressed and punished anyone who didn't behave exactly as the state wanted.

Its the same things with the Chinese social credit system....in China the all powerful state watches all its citizens carefully and keeps files on everyone and gives everyone a "social credit" number and repressed those people who don't behave exactly as the state wants.

Orwell brilliantly described how being monitored all the time affected individuals in 1984: It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself-anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face ... was itself a punishable offense.

The Chinese system is the perfect fascist system resulting in total state control of every individual. Its a real life version of Orwell's 1984.


Welcome to China---the modern real-life version of Orwell's 1984

Cheers!

[Newfie]

I think that we are moving in this direction all the time. Social Media keeping tabs on us.

More and more I see the social divide as between
A - those who desire the State to control us as a herd
B - those who desire personal responsibility and autonomy

I think A Is winning.

[FLAMEOUT]

Is it coming or here?

Herding excess humans into compliance is a popular trend this century as a direct consequence of human ecological overshoot.

To answer your question if it can happen here, the answer is it already has.

Have a look at the illustrations on the following link.

https://theultralinx.com/2018/04/20-bru ... e-live-in/

Any doubts?

Brilliant.

A picture (well twenty of them) tells a thousand words.

Watch this, especially from 5mins. Frightening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydPqKhgh9Mg

[Ibon]

I think that we are moving in this direction all the time. Social Media keeping tabs on us.

More and more I see the social divide as between
A - those who desire the State to control us as a herd
B - those who desire personal responsibility and autonomy

I think A Is winning.

I am experiencing a bit of an internal conflict regarding this split. I have suggested the importance of trying to focus more on unifying the country, looking for common ground, seeing how this split is tearing us apart and the importance to try to mend this.

This impulse is in direct conflict with perhaps the necessity to encourage the split, feed it, ramp it up of sorts. Because this seems to be the will of the collective and the end game is a new cultural alignment that could go as far as re aligning states rights, sovereignty, possible seceding, migration etc.

The fundamental question? Should we encourage or discourage the split between these groups?

I am conflicted frankly.

[Outcast_Searcher]

A picture (well twenty of them) tells a thousand words.

Watch this, especially from 5mins. Frightening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydPqKhgh9Mg

Not frightening. Modern reality in the first world.

The US now has the police doing a LOT of license plate scanning, much of it automated. The US has various busy places giving automated speeding tickets. The US is doing plenty of facial recognition scanning in places like airports (and most likely many government buildings). Many private businesses have been doing all sorts of keeping track of employees via databases and badges and monitoring internet activity for decades. And if you think the NSA isn't doing any tracking of US citizens, you're completely delusional.

If you want no government or business tracking of you, go live in some third world hovel, never use technology, never use credit, etc.

[evilgenius]

The Social Credit System is merely a means of measuring people in the same way that Americans use income to measure people. It is for those who think that they are better than what their wealth says about them. But it will have consequences. The most striking of them is how it will eliminate outliers. Everyone who really is special will get hauled before the judges, to determine what sort of deviant nature has led them so far away from the group. It will stifle innovation. It will work toward a monolithic culture. It will prevent good people from finding forgiveness. But that's not actually very far from what using income does.

The reason it isn't very far doesn't have to do with money. It has to do with human nature. Most people are extroverts. They need each other to pattern off of, so that they can feel good about themselves as being normal. In America we use this sort of thinking to help us feel normal when we don't win, and some Brahman does instead. We complain in unison with all of the others. We remain in unity, until it is our turn to win or lose again. Lather, rinse, repeat. America's way does not ask its citizens to change. The Brahmans don't want the competition. It expects them to complain.

This new Chinese idea will only take that impulse, of seeking normality, and put it on steroids. Perhaps it comes out of understanding something and getting along with it, but it sure seems like it is about power. And about not allowing their people to become selfish in the same way that Americans are selfish, over income. That's a shame because the scientific method and the process of reward for winners in the market place have been good ways to determine what really does work, when we want to change things. This new system may ask people to accept those economic failures because there are so many other data points they need to pay attention to. It could change China in ways even the communists never thought it would.

[ralfy]

In relation to that, one article revealed that 71 pct of people worldwide earn less than $10 daily, and that most probably don't even have bank accounts because they lack savings.

[Ayoob]

It's time for me to go offline, I think. Back to the real world, interact face to face with people in my town.

Fucking shame, I've learned a lot online

There's a lot of good information in paper books though, so I can do that

I think we're over the cusp on peak oil and headed for benevolent slavery and genocide as the food runs out

Good luck people, we're headed down the slope

[Ibon]

It's time for me to go offline, I think. Back to the real world, interact face to face with people in my town.

Fucking shame, I've learned a lot online

There's a lot of good information in paper books though, so I can do that

I think we're over the cusp on peak oil and headed for benevolent slavery and genocide as the food runs out

Good luck people, we're headed down the slope

Wow, smart dude!