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Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 14

Unread postby dissident » Wed 19 Jan 2022, 13:46:59

dissident wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab4HhWkIq_E

A glimpse of the real world. One that does not conform to the "trust your doctor" and "trust the mandate from your politician" inanity.


The video is back.

1) Doctors avoid giving proper treatment because it means questioning vaccine side effects. Doctors are now living in a climate of fear and self-imposed goose-stepping conformity.

2) The mass media pretends that vaccine side effects are insignificant. This is the same media that spreads the lie that vaccination stops transmission and mutation of the disease.

I will repeat, vaccination is supposed to be for the benefit of the individual. Not to pacify the phobias of hysterical mobs.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 26 Jan 2022, 09:59:17

U.S. Labor Dept withdrawing COVID vaccine rule for large employers

Jan 25 (Reuters) - The Department of Labor said on Tuesday it will withdraw its COVID-19 vaccine-and-testing requirement for large U.S. employers after the U.S. Supreme Court blocked the rule, ending a controversial bid to increase vaccination rates.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) said in the federal register that while it was withdrawing the emergency temporary standard, the rule would remain as a proposal for a permanent requirement.

"OSHA continues to strongly encourage the vaccination of workers against the continuing dangers posed by COVID-19 in the workplace," the notice said.

COVID-19 has killed more than 850,000 in the United States and the outbreak continues to weigh on the country's economy.

President Joe Biden unveiled in September several regulations aimed at increasing the U.S. adult vaccination rate, which currently stands at about 74%, according to government data, among the lowest for developed nations.

The rules sparked legal challenges by conservative organizations, Republicans and some business groups.

The OSHA mandate for businesses with at least 100 employees was blocked by the Supreme Court earlier this month, although at the same time the court allowed a separate federal vaccine requirement for workers in healthcare facilities. read more

A third major vaccine rule from the Biden administration required federal government contractors to get their employees vaccinated. That was blocked by a federal judge in December and last week a U.S. judge blocked a vaccine requirement for federal employees. read more

While courts have generally found the administration lacked the authority to require vaccination, mandates imposed by businesses, states and local governments have been upheld.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Wed 26 Jan 2022, 10:48:21

The vaccination rate BS is a moving target. In Orwellian toilet Canada it was claimed that 80% would be ideal and herd immunity level. Now we have 82% with the vast majority of the at-risk group vaccinated and this is deemed not enough. The concept of 100% vaccination is absurd. It is patently clear that healthy children do not need vaccination. The age stratification of the severe side effects including death mirror the metabolic health of the individual. Chronic inflammation and decreased glutathione levels are causal.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsinfecdis.0c00288

Higher rates of serious illness and death from coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection among older people and those who have comorbidities suggest that age- and disease-related biological processes make such individuals more sensitive to environmental stress factors including infectious agents like coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Specifically, impaired redox homeostasis and associated oxidative stress appear to be important biological processes that may account for increased individual susceptibility to diverse environmental insults. The aim of this Viewpoint is to justify (1) the crucial roles of glutathione in determining individual responsiveness to COVID-19 infection and disease pathogenesis and (2) the feasibility of using glutathione as a means for the treatment and prevention of COVID-19 illness. The hypothesis that glutathione deficiency is the most plausible explanation for serious manifestation and death in COVID-19 patients was proposed on the basis of an exhaustive literature analysis and observations. The hypothesis unravels the mysteries of epidemiological data on the risk factors determining serious manifestations of COVID-19 infection and the high risk of death and opens real opportunities for effective treatment and prevention of the disease.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby JuanP » Wed 26 Jan 2022, 22:12:32

"China's domestic mRNA COVID-19 vaccine shows seroconversion rate as high as 95% in Phase I clinical trials: report"

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202201/1246935.shtml

"Two shots of China's first domestic mRNA vaccine candidate against the COVID-19 show seroconversion rates ranging from 80 to 95 percent, according to latest report on Phase I clinical trials published recently on The Lancet.

The mRNA candidate vaccine, ARCoVax, has been jointly developed by the Academy of Military Medical Sciences, Suzhou Abogen and Yunnan Walvax Biotechnology Co."

The Chinese continue with their systematic preparations to open the country once the case fatality rate of COVID-19 drops below 0.1%, as has been their plan for over a year. They have more than 20 domestically developed vaccines and several therapeutic drugs in the pipeline. That, combined with the reduced lethality of the Omicron variant, the use of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and their very high, and continuously increasing, vaccination rates, leads me to believe that China will probably start transitioning from its Dynamic Zero Case COVID-19 policy after Xi Jinping's reelection later this year.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Thu 27 Jan 2022, 10:10:46

There is no point to mRNA vaccines, this includes both the nanoparticle and adenovirus vector types. Classical vaccines with virus antigens combined with an adjuvant achieves all the function of a vaccine. Such a format does not involve an 1000x multiplication factor for the viral antigens inside the body in various tissues thanks to cell hijacking and has the advantage of providing more than one target for the immune system to develop antibodies against.

Novavax and Medicago vaccines are still in the phase III trial stage or nearing approval (I hope) and they demonstrate that mass production of classical type vaccines is possible. This research could have been done years ago instead of letting the mRNA wonder cure approach dominate.

BTW, the VAERS system reports that the Janssen vaccine has a 1.5% lethality rate. I am sure some will dismiss this as mere correlation. But they would be idiots. Tight temporal correlation is actually evidence of causation. Otherwise everything is a coincidence. One can dismiss any dismissal by noting that not all the deaths are reported.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 28 Jan 2022, 12:54:49

The COVID-19 situation is still quite bad in many countries and the world in general. In the USA the situation is nothing short of catastrophic with the number of confirmed active cases currently at 28,178,981 and the total number of American deaths now at 902,140, which is an absolute tragedy.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This is obviously not sustainable and should be expected to improve soon, at least temporarily, since the actual number of infected people is probably a multiple of the confirmed active cases, which means that we should achieve a certain degree of temporary immunity to the Omicron variant relatively soon.

As much as I dislike the US government's foreign policies, I feel really sorry for those Americans who have lost their lives, their health, and/or their jobs and for their loved ones. Most of us know people who died or were left disabled by COVID-19.

I can't help but wonder where we go from here. What will the next variant look like? There must be countless thousands of mutations occurring every single day all over the world considering the huge number of infected people. Can you imagine what would have happened if Omicron had been as deadly as Alpha, Beta, or Delta or even more deadly? We got really lucky with Omicron, but good luck doesn't last forever.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 28 Jan 2022, 15:14:00

JuanP wrote:I can't help but wonder where we go from here. What will the next variant look like? There must be countless thousands of mutations occurring every single day all over the world considering the huge number of infected people. Can you imagine what would have happened if Omicron had been as deadly as Alpha, Beta, or Delta or even more deadly? We got really lucky with Omicron, but good luck doesn't last forever.

To me, the really scary part, is that although we HOPE that future variants (which need to spread better to dominate, per the experts) will trend toward being milder.

BUT, it doesn't have to. If a future variant starts out mild, so people can go out and spread it while they feel good or at least decent, and THEN it gets nasty several days or weeks later, it could be both widespread and much more deadly.

And again, this is per the experts in various articles I've read, not just a layman's conjecture.

I was disappointed to learn this, but evolution is evolution, and the science and math on viruses is well established.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/25/the-nex ... -says.html

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news ... anel-davos

Speaking on the first day of the WEF's virtual Davos Agenda summit, Professor Wilder-Smith told the panel that while there is a high probability that Omicron will not be the last COVID-19 variant, a new strain is likely to be less severe, but it remains important to prepare for all scenarios, including a variant with high transmissibility and high mortality.

(Red font mine, for emphasis).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 28 Jan 2022, 16:26:37

We totally agree on that, OS.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Fri 28 Jan 2022, 23:48:03

Natural selection drives moderation of virus strains. As with the flu we have sporadic novelty shocks (e.g. avian to animal to human transmission) but there is no progression to worse strains every year. Covid is following the same pattern. The best immunization program for people who are not afflicted with several comorbidities is to get Omicron and give the vax mandate zealots the middle finger. These zealots are the ones spreading the virus but shrieking that they are threatened by the unvaxxed. Lynch mob retards.

Over 95% of the high risk population in the USA is double vaccinated. But vaccination does not remove the comorbidities. This includes the central one, metabolic syndrome. So the deaths are not driven by the unvaxxed as claimed by the zealots. This is why we have the booster frenzy clown show. Some Alpha strain vaccine is supposed to save you from Omicron. All you need to do is take more doses. So we see the case of the man who was dropped from a kidney transplant waiting list because he was unvaxxed but who had recovered from a Delta infection. He was told by the criminal clowns that the Alpha strain vaccine would protect him against Omicron but his natural immunity against Delta had no value. This proves none of this is about any science. Bend over and take your 20th booster of the Alpha strain vaccine and keep on believing that you are saving your life. All the while your HbA1c keeps going up. That could not be anything relevant.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Sat 29 Jan 2022, 19:39:27

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Sat 29 Jan 2022, 23:27:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1n3ilSrmXo

Pfizer is trying to delay the release of FDA data on vaccines. My, such transparency and legitimate intentions. What are they hiding?
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 01 Feb 2022, 17:26:06

"New sub variant of Omicron: What do we know?"
"Scientists have warned that sub strain BA.2 is ‘gaining ground’"
https://www.rt.com/news/547983-omicron- ... explainer/

Apparently, Omicron BA.2 is more contagious than the, currently most prevalent, Omicron BA.1 sub variant.

This means we may experience a SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.2 pandemic wave later this year.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby dissident » Wed 02 Feb 2022, 08:43:21

JuanP wrote:"New sub variant of Omicron: What do we know?"
"Scientists have warned that sub strain BA.2 is ‘gaining ground’"
https://www.rt.com/news/547983-omicron- ... explainer/

Apparently, Omicron BA.2 is more contagious than the, currently most prevalent, Omicron BA.1 sub variant.

This means we may experience a SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.2 pandemic wave later this year.


The only relevant question is whether it is more lethal. The rest is pure hysteria. Regular colds are extremely contagious and SARS-Cov-2 is returning to its origins as a cold virus. The laboratory modifications did not produce a new stable virus species.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 02 Feb 2022, 15:14:04

Lock downs were a waste of time and money!!
Lockdowns in the U.S. and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19, according to a new analysis by researchers at Johns Hopkins University.

The lockdowns during the early phase of the pandemic in 2020 reduced COVID-19 mortality by about 0.2%, said the broad review of multiple scientific studies.

“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote.
But the research paper said lockdowns did have “devastating effects” on the economy and contributed to numerous social ills.

“They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report said.

“Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument,” the paper concluded.

Early on, many states and 186 countries imposed bans on work, socialization, in-person schooling, travel and other restrictions to limit the spread of the disease, citing recommendations by top health care experts.

Researchers at the Imperial College London, for example, predicted that such steps could reduce death rates by up to 98%.

That never happened, according to the new study by researchers Steve Hanke, Jonas Herby, and Lars Jonung at Johns Hopkins.

“Overall, we conclude that lockdowns are not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during a pandemic, at least not during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic,” they wrote.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... 9-deaths-/
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 10:54:36

I was listening to a net of about 20 amateurs on the radio tonight, a big part of the discussion was naturally the virus, A/ because most amateurs are old men and the fear is Strong with them. and B/ because the average person just parrots what's on the legacy media. They were discussing the side effects from the booster shot and even the earlier shots. It seemed everyone had a tale about being violently ill for days, one hospitalized with grievous side-effects. Then the would say, "Well it was worth it, if I hadn't had it the omicron could have really hit me hard."

Brainless men, brainless women, we are surrounded by them and some of the worst are the young couples with children, full of fear for their babies, refusing anyone to be near them unless FULLY vaccinated. Talk about a way to divide society.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 12:29:40

theluckycountry wrote:Brainless men, brainless women, we are surrounded by them and some of the worst are the young couples with children, full of fear for their babies, refusing anyone to be near them unless FULLY vaccinated. Talk about a way to divide society.


We've had the Freedom Convoy protesting at Parliament Hill and occupying several adjacent streets with their trucks for almost a week now. There is a real divide between those who want Covid restrictions and mandates removed and those who continue to live in fear of Covid. It isn't helping that Justin Trudeau, our Prime Minister, seems determined to simply ignore the protestors. Canada has one of the highest rates of vaccination in the world and yet governments are still focused on trying to force the remaining dissenters to get vaccinated. Personally I think we've managed to get most of the fence sitters vaccinated but the remaining unvaccinated feel so strongly against it that pushing them even harder will only create more anger. The situation in our hospitals precludes removing all covid restrictions and mandates right now but it is something we need to be discussing. We are seeing a growing number of European countries drop Covid restrictions so the subject should not be something we are forbidden from talking about.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 14:03:14

On another forum there is a Canadian Covid thread. As it is a sailboat forum it is full of old men, many very afraid of Covid. The fear is deep set. And the anger against the anti-vaxers is strong as is the anger by the anti-vaxers. And in general there is a lot of anti American talk. It seems many strong vexers feel very superior to crowd on the Souther border.

Very sad to see.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 14:57:19

Newfie wrote:On another forum there is a Canadian Covid thread. As it is a sailboat forum it is full of old men, many very afraid of Covid. The fear is deep set. And the anger against the anti-vaxers is strong as is the anger by the anti-vaxers. And in general there is a lot of anti American talk. It seems many strong vexers feel very superior to crowd on the Souther border.

Very sad to see.

I find it ironic that those that are vaccinated and believe they work get angry at those that are not. If they work why care if some around you are not vaccinated? If they don't work what difference does it make?
Feelings that your population is superior in morals, sophistication, intelligence, strength and courage etc. to those in a neighboring country is pretty common and works both ways.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 15:00:31

yellowcanoe wrote: We are seeing a growing number of European countries drop Covid restrictions so the subject should not be something we are forbidden from talking about.

I quite agree and those in power in both the USA and Canada have shown a great degree of hypocrisy and intolerance on the subject.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Pt. 13

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 03 Feb 2022, 15:04:45

vtsnowedin wrote:
Newfie wrote:On another forum there is a Canadian Covid thread. As it is a sailboat forum it is full of old men, many very afraid of Covid. The fear is deep set. And the anger against the anti-vaxers is strong as is the anger by the anti-vaxers. And in general there is a lot of anti American talk. It seems many strong vexers feel very superior to crowd on the Souther border.

Very sad to see.

I find it ironic that those that are vaccinated and believe they work get angry at those that are not. If they work why care if some around you are not vaccinated? If they don't work what difference does it make?
Feelings that your population is superior in morals, sophistication, intelligence, strength and courage etc. to those in a neighboring country is pretty common and works both ways.

But the science says they're effective for helping prevent severe disease, but far from perfect, especially for more vulnerable populations. As the virus evolves, it's also tougher for them to consistently prevent cases.

Also, part of the problem is the ongoing variants. The science / experts also show that the fewer vaccinated people and the more symptomatic cases occur globally, the more variants we'll see.

So it's not an all or nothing "it works" OR "it doesn't work", and no one credible ever claimed they were perfect or totally ineffective.

I find it ironic that those most unhappy with restrictions on things like travel and business and masking for public travel are so unwilling to help do things like getting vaccinating, and trying to end the waves of Covid-19 variants messing things up quicker. In their OWN self interest, even if they don't care about the rights or safety of others, re health risks from Covid-19.

It's not just fear, it's also logic.
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