[EnergyUnlimited]

When you watch Canadians as a disant observer many appear to have some sort of brain disease.
When you watch them how they vote, even more appear to be just brain dead.

But now they are contending with some new brain disease not described in literature and it appears to spread:
https://www.macleans.ca/news/inside-the ... y-illness/
It affects those living in New Brunswick area, it is causing neurological degeneration very much like CJD does, it kills, it affects more and more people and we don't even know what is a cause.
Prions were not detected in post mortems yet and doctors are clueless.
By now we have 6 dead and 48 sick.
Base on what we know about progress of symptoms I suspect that it is going to kill all remaining sick as well.
It is an equal opportunity disease and it does not discriminate against any particular group of people.
It can kill someone at 18 and someone at 85.
Victims are unrelated but sometimes share the same property.
Disease spreads - more and more are getting affected.
Who knows - it may even be contagious WITH VERY LONG LATENT TIME but for now they are investigating possible environmental factors related toxins present in cyanobacteria.
No cure and no treatment either.

It is likely in initial phase of exponential growth of number of cases - so it may be worth to tune to news.

Maybe after few years we will not even talk any more about COVID and similar trivialities.
Who knows - maybe we are on the brink of real zombie apocalypse?

I looks like Mother Nature is beginning to be quite determined with clearing human overshoot.
Tough luck.

[AdamB]

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[EnergyUnlimited]

Well, the good news is, the medical attention is all free!!

Maybe they need some good ol' fashion, gluttonous and well paid "make a mint gettin' 'er done" type doctors from the US? Interesting that in the article, it sounds like the young lady received quite the brush off from all the free medical care she was given?

Doctors don't know what it is.
Many of them are possibly scared and other don't want to scare their patients.
They also try not to make statements which might be seen as foolish once more is known.
No one want wide spread panic either and government wants to be seen as a competent body.
Mix of all these factors is a good receipt for generating a huge mystery and public is becoming increasingly scared and impatient.

[AdamB]

Well, the good news is, the medical attention is all free!!

Doctors don't know what it is.

After rereading my callous post, I've deleted it. I've loved Canadians since they let me live and work in their country, invited me to spend Thanksgiving and Christmas in their homes while I was away from mine, and other than some disagreements over their tax and gun policies, I'd go live there in a second.

It is unfortunate that yet another disease has made an appearance that sounds like it just sucks.

Many of them are possibly scared and other don't want to scare their patients.
They also try not to make statements which might be seen as foolish once more is known.
No one want wide spread panic either and government wants to be seen as a competent body.
Mix of all these factors is a good receipt for generating a huge mystery and public is becoming increasingly scared and impatient.

And this is all completely understandable. And we can hope that the Canadians will handle it a bit more seriously than the Americans and their politicize everything routine.

[evilgenius]

The article is beautifully long. My game is almost on. I'm missing the hype as it is. But it seems as if the problem has something to do with understanding what consciousness is?

It's like this, we aren't just the observers who look out and see the world. We are also the world we observe, with any of our many senses.

It has to be this way, only in the case where whatever it is that constitutes you at the point where it is the world must also have a way of also accommodating whatever that actual reality is as well. There must be a duality to the part of you that is the world. It must, somehow, be both the world and you at the same time. You "observe" the triggering of your senses, as they speak to yourself, at that point. They are really being triggered in your brain.

If you accept that, it is also possible to understand how the inner observer you is in a duality with your emotional self as well. And, you can manipulate the entire thing to hypothetically look at the world. That fits in very well because some say we are just advanced prediction machines.

[dissident]

Very peculiar for a new strain to emerge in a low population Canadian province under lockdown and mask wearing regimes. Smells of something else to me.

If something like this showed up in China with its generally filthy living (animal disease crossovers are common) conditions and high population density, then it would be much more likely a new strain of some disease.

Scotland has seen a surge of heart attack cases (up to 25% at some hospitals) which they "can't explain". Yeah, right. Scotland is pimping the mRNA pseudo-virus "vaccines" just like Canada. These "vaccines" infest capillary "intima" cells to produce spike proteins that greatly increase wall drag and lead to clotting. These "vaccines" can do the same thing to the membrane cells in the blood-brain barrier which means that they can release spike proteins into the brain vascular system. The pattern of distribution of the lipid drop vectors of the mRNA pseudo-virus concoctions indicates that they are small enough to experience enhancement of structural integrity due the Kelvin curvature effect. So instead of coalescing into the nearest available cells on injection, they maintain their integrity and act as robust nanoparticles dispersing through the vascular and lymphatic system. As such they can shred through cell walls and not disgorge their mRNA safely into them for all cases. Likely because the lipid coating on the mRNA has ablated which would decrease their size and amplify the surface tension and related curvature effects.

So none of the clown regulators and either Pfizer or Moderna can rule out penetration of this pseudo-virus "technology" into the brain through the blood-brain barrier membrane. Instead of looking for prions, perhaps these very dedicated Canadian "specialists" can investigate micro-vascular damage in the brains of the victims. So much of medicine operates in the ignorance is bliss mode. If they don't know what to look for, they are not likely to find it.

To be more specific. A virus vector vaccine such as AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson adenovirus types, will not transport through the body like the mRNA pseudo-virus wonders from Pfizer and Moderna. Full viruses are much larger than the lipid nanoparticles carrying the mRNA and also have a very textured/rough surface (e.g. full of proteins like the spike protein designed to attach to target cells). So injecting these virus-vector vaccines in the upper arm muscle is vastly more likely to result in limited distribution elsewhere. This is even true if some nincompoop injects the vaccine into the blood stream because the adenovirus will attach to the cell intima more effectively and thus faster. By contrast the more-than-likely ablating lipid nanoparticle vectors used in the Pfizer and Moderna products have smooth surfaces and are subject to the Kelvin curvature effect. So they do spread through the vascular system and likely cross the blood-brain barrier. There is nothing keeping these lipid nanoparticles in which the mRNA molecule is imbedded from ablating. They have have no cell-wall structure, unlike viruses which do have a casing.

[EnergyUnlimited]

@dissident,
I think, it have started in New Brunswick well *before* onset of COVID, let alone a launch of vaccines meant to prevent it.
Interesting bit is that doctors cannot pinpoint any specific cause.
They are suspecting environmental factors like exposure to beta-N-methylamino-alpha-alanine produced by cyanobacteria but these are only speculations supported by nothing solid.

It is certainly worth following.

[dissident]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7321003914

The lipid nanoprticles (LNP) are 60 to 100 nm in the vaccine vial before injection. The 100 nm size limit is marginal in terms of surface activity, but the 60 nm particle limit is surface active. The Kelvin curvature effect increases nonlinearly and rapidly with decreasing size so the injection of 60 nm particles is basically criminal.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... cines.aspx

Following the paper linked in the above article, the LNP are very inflammatory and diffusive. As expected. This is not merely because they have a polyethelene glycol lipid outer layer, but because they are surface active and do physical damage to cell walls.

The action against Moderna's product in Sweden and Finland seems to be tied to the fact that the Moderna vaccine injects at least three times more LNP than the Pfizer product. More LNP implies more dispersion through the body and more negative interactions.

[EnergyUnlimited]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378517321003914

The lipid nanoprticles (LNP) are 60 to 100 nm in the vaccine vial before injection. The 100 nm size limit is marginal in terms of surface activity, but the 60 nm particle limit is surface active. The Kelvin curvature effect increases nonlinearly and rapidly with decreasing size so the injection of 60 nm particles is basically criminal.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... cines.aspx

Following the paper linked in the above article, the LNP are very inflammatory and diffusive. As expected. This is not merely because they have a polyethelene glycol lipid outer layer, but because they are surface active and do physical damage to cell walls.

The action against Moderna's product in Sweden and Finland seems to be tied to the fact that the Moderna vaccine injects at least three times more LNP than the Pfizer product. More LNP implies more dispersion through the body and more negative interactions.

But this is COVID stuff, nothing to do with new Canadian brain disease.

[evilgenius]

Saying something is a Prion is like saying it is the variable, "x." At this time, we have no idea what Prions are, nor if an entity that can be characterized by a single variable is responsible.

We do know, however, that spongeform diseases arise from the practice of cannibalism, regardless of whether the people were aware of it or not. The practice tends to explain why it can happen in clusters.

Since everybody is getting the same shot everywhere, and this isn't happening apace, the rate of it within the community must be due to something local. If it were due to the shot the rate would not happen locally before it happened globally. And this is not a story about an early notice of something that is happening everywhere. If that were the case, in some places, there would be bodies in the streets.

Or, is this going to be that Norwegian bow and arrow guy's excuse? Only, wasn't he an anti-vaxxer? Dammit, I don't know.

It will probably turn out to be some health food powder than inadvertently had traces of human something or other. I don't know that. I'm just saying it is much more logical to look there.

You know, it is scary, if it is a powder or other, because it could expand from this cluster pretty easily, if nobody is looking in that direction. Then, the first time it pops up somewhere else, everybody will blame the shot. Imagine the panic.

It won't matter what the truth is. The people will only be thinking about themselves.

Trump probably already has a hoodji cure in place, something obscure that will make them vomit, but won't kill them. He's going to rake them in.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Saying something is a Prion is like saying it is the variable, "x." At this time, we have no idea what Prions are, nor if an entity that can be characterized by a single variable is responsible.

I disagree.
We know what prions are.
You can imagine a protein which has the same aminoacid sequence but can have few (or many) different spatial arrangements.
So for example it can have helical structure resembling familiar double helix of DNA or it can have an alternative "folded sheet" structure.
These 2 structures are of different chemical reactivity.
Former one can be disassembled to aminoacid building blocks (call it "digested" if you wish) by enzymes produced by your body which are called "proteases" but second is more stable and it is resistant to this process.
Because of increased stability it accumulates in your body (eg in neurons and surrounding cells) and it is harmful.
Now the most important trick:
This protease resistant, stable form is also a thermodynamically stable one.
Once it comes to contact with normal helical type it acts a catalyst or seed crystal and converts this useful form into harmful one and a process best compared to crystallization follows on.
There are even more bad news:
Your body *needs* this benign form of helical structure for certain functions so while it converts to harmful folded sheet structure body will produce more of helical one because the second (harmful) form is of no use (and yet because of increased chemical stability it cannot be removed from cells).
So it is easy to find out that a runaway catastrophic accumulation of harmful form proceeds and this leads to disease like CDJ (Creutzfeldt Jacobs disease), kuru, fatal family insomnia or similar.
These diseases are universally fatal and there is no known treatment of any kind.

But in bodies of victim of Canadian brain disease cluster found in New Brunswick area no prions and no characteristic "spongiform" type damage caused by them can be found.
So even if symptoms are similar to other prionic diseases, we can find no evidence that prions are causing this one.
More research may discover some new prions after all but a cause can easily be different.
So this development is very interesting to follow.

We do know, however, that spongeform diseases arise from the practice of cannibalism, regardless of whether the people were aware of it or not. The practice tends to explain why it can happen in clusters.

Cannibalism is only one of ways to contract such disease.
It can also be set spontaneously and then it is known as CJD, it can cross species barrier (eg very similar chemically bovine malformed protein may initiate transformation of one from humans) - then it is known as variant-CJD eg. vCJD.
Sometimes it is a genetic disease where faulty protein is produced which very easily converts into harmful one and affected families are suffering and dying.
Example of such situation is Fatal Family Insomnia. It affects young peoples in 30-50-thies age group.
Awful way to go - you cannot go sleep and even strongest sleeping pills cannot help. You die of exhaustion within several months or a year.

Since everybody is getting the same shot everywhere, and this isn't happening apace, the rate of it within the community must be due to something local. If it were due to the shot the rate would not happen locally before it happened globally. And this is not a story about an early notice of something that is happening everywhere. If that were the case, in some places, there would be bodies in the streets.

It is likely to be something caused by environmental local factor but we cannot exclude possibility of initial cluster of contagious disease of very long latent period (so it might be already spread into many areas but new cases will became apparent only in coming years).
So this subject is worth to follow.

Or, is this going to be that Norwegian bow and arrow guy's excuse? Only, wasn't he an anti-vaxxer? Dammit, I don't know.

He was white Danish man who converted to Islam.

It will probably turn out to be some health food powder than inadvertently had traces of human something or other. I don't know that. I'm just saying it is much more logical to look there.

There is no evidence that prions are causing it.
It can be anything, including what you suggest.

The people will only be thinking about themselves.

What else they can do?

[evilgenius]

That just means it's going to be unpredictable.

That's all pretty cool stuff.

What I mean by a prion is some kind of particle which causes proteins that would otherwise fold properly, not to fold properly, or some such explanation. The separately verifiable by experiment particle. It has even survived the autoclave. That is part of the reason, I guess, that leaping to it being a particle of some kind came to the people's minds in some article I read about this kind of thing years ago, when I was first thinking about traveling to the UK?

The cannibalism thing is more from some article I remembered about native tribes in New Guinea. That one went deep into the incidence of the disease. So, that's my only angle.

[EnergyUnlimited]

That just means it's going to be unpredictable.

That's all pretty cool stuff.

What I mean by a prion is some kind of particle which causes proteins that would otherwise fold properly, not to fold properly, or some such explanation. The separately verifiable by experiment particle. It has even survived the autoclave. That is part of the reason, I guess, that leaping to it being a particle of some kind came to the people's minds in some article I read about this kind of thing years ago, when I was first thinking about traveling to the UK?

The cannibalism thing is more from some article I remembered about native tribes in New Guinea. That one went deep into the incidence of the disease. So, that's my only angle.

Prion is an abnormal version of protein called PrP which is produced and present in many cells.
Contact of healthy version of PrP protein with a prion converts the former into new prion particle.
So it can be compared to crystallization.
Prion is closer to thermodynamic equilibrium than healthy version of this protein.

You can make such an experiment: Take deionized water, boil it well to get rid of dissolved air, place in a very clean jar and place in freezer (-3*C) *undisturbed*.
Sometimes it will crystallize but on odd occasion it will cool to -3*C and not freeze.
The cleaner the water the more you can cool it this way.
Such water is called "supercooled". It can be also called "metastable form".
Now drop a crystal of ice into this supercooled water.
You will observe rapid freezing in the jar.
So imagine that your body is working in this "metastable form" and prion is that bit of ice added, which converts remaining PrP protein into more stable form, killing you in the process.

Prions will be destroyed in autoclave but only above 130 - 150*C, or above 200*C according to some other works.
But it is a good practice not to reuse surgical instruments coming into contact with CJD patients.
So they are usually destroyed.
It is rare that doctors try to sterilize such instruments from prion contamination.
Too much risk.

CJD is known to be transmitted on odd occasion by contaminated medical equipment.

Regarding UK: due to presence of bovine variant of CJD in UK cattle and widespread beef consumption in the UK it is estimated that about 1 in 2000 of people who was living in the UK in 1980-1992 might be contaminated with bovine prions.
Because bovine prion is not identical to human version it has more difficulty in setting disease going and it may take several decades to start going.
Also only individuals who have Methionine rather than Leucine (both are aminoacids - building blocks of proteins) in one particular position of PrP protein are susceptible to infection by bovine version of prion.
Fortunately only 1 in 5 people has Methionine variant of PrP protein and also it takes few decades to develop disease upon exposure to bovine trigger, so there will be only rather few additional cases of CJD.
Of course vegetarians are safe

[evilgenius]

In the United States, they ensure against it by making certain that they slaughter cattle before mad cow disease can form. If the cause is the ground up cattle they are eating in their feed, there can't be all that much certainty that isn't going to poke through now and again. Otherwise, the shot is a relative newcomer. And, you just said yourself, that these things can take a while. The fear is a thing not to merrily introduce in people.

[yellowcanoe]

When you watch Canadians as a disant observer many appear to have some sort of brain disease.
When you watch them how they vote, even more appear to be just brain dead.

Darn. I was going to post something along that line but you beat me to it! However much as I dislike Trudope and his band of merry Liberals I am somewhat at a loss as to who I should vote for. The number one problem our civilization faces is that we are destroying the biosphere through over consumption of resources yet all the political parties including the Green party advocate for more economic growth and population growth.

[Newfie]

Yellow,

Exactly correct. One reason I gave up voting is that I could not see an effective difference between the parties. One is as bad as the other.

I had hoped Trump would create a major recession. Looks like Joe may succeed. But then they want these huge redevelopment programs. We need to learn to live with less, not more.

[EnergyUnlimited]

There are some more news on this front and indication that disease might be somehow contagious are between these:
https://gizmodo.com/frightening-new-det ... 1848321759
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... lts-canada

A woman in her 30s was described as non-verbal, is feeding with a tube and drools excessively. Her caregiver, a nursing student in her 20s, also recently started showing symptoms of neurological decline.

And what Government is doing btw?
Well... you guess. The are denying that anything is wrong and mobbing/silencing a doctor who first noted emerging disease.
Eg they do exactly he same what Chinese government in initial stages of COVID did.

Later this month, New Brunswick is set to release a report discussing the cluster, led by neurologists across the province, but seemingly without the involvement of the neurologist who first discovered these cases, Alier Marrero. In recent months, local officials have appeared to minimize Marrero’s role in studying the cases and even seemed to question the validity of the cluster.

I would closely watch this subject.
Who knows?
Within 10 years it may make COVID silly, mundane nonissue. Worry of the stupid.

Transmissible CJD like disease with long latent contagious period and no means to detect who is a carrier before symptoms occurred would be a game changer for sure.
So?

[Outcast_Searcher]

There are some more news on this front and indication that disease might be somehow contagious are between these:
https://gizmodo.com/frightening-new-det ... 1848321759
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... lts-canada

A woman in her 30s was described as non-verbal, is feeding with a tube and drools excessively. Her caregiver, a nursing student in her 20s, also recently started showing symptoms of neurological decline.

And what Government is doing btw?
Well... you guess. The are denying that anything is wrong and mobbing/silencing a doctor who first noted emerging disease.
Eg they do exactly he same what Chinese government in initial stages of COVID did.

Later this month, New Brunswick is set to release a report discussing the cluster, led by neurologists across the province, but seemingly without the involvement of the neurologist who first discovered these cases, Alier Marrero. In recent months, local officials have appeared to minimize Marrero’s role in studying the cases and even seemed to question the validity of the cluster.

I would closely watch this subject.
Who knows?
Within 10 years it may make COVID silly, mundane nonissue. Worry of the stupid.

Transmissible CJD like disease with long latent contagious period and no means to detect who is a carrier before symptoms occurred would be a game changer for sure.
So?

Do you have, like actual credible science backed sources raising the alarm on this?

Of course not. (When I do a search from this, aside from the Guardian article citing a whistleblower, I'm not finding squat, much less lots of hits from credible sources, much less credible sources with serious science behind the claims).

And then you wonder why you don't have a lot of credibility, given your track record re claims of impending doom.

But of course, in your mind, if your ilk claims "the government should be DOING something", and wave your arms, there are infinite resources (re other peoples' money) to be spent chasing mindless panic and spurious claims.

[EnergyUnlimited]

And then you wonder why you don't have a lot of credibility, given your track record re claims of impending doom.

But of course, in your mind, if your ilk claims "the government should be DOING something", and wave your arms, there are infinite resources (re other peoples' money) to be spent chasing mindless panic and spurious claims.

Up to recently I have considered you to be misinformed but now you seem to be just plain stupid and a troll.

It is obvious that clusters of unexplained cases of serious, lethal diseases are to be investigated and yes, with taxpayer money moron, because there are no other means available to do it.

Mind you - "doing something policy" we observe with COVID - and it doesn't work.

[dissident]

The spread of a new disease is likely to be merely a correlation. New disease emergence is not trivial. Prions are not viruses and do not evolve to become more virulent. So there is not going to be any airborne CJD. But what Canada has is mandated administration of mRNA treatments from Pfizer and Moderna. It appears that in this part of the Maritimes there was a genetic susceptibility to the brain damage side effects of these "vaccines". Humans are not a monoculture of the same genes and regional (village level) variations exist everywhere.

Keep taking those boosters of mRNA "vaccines" and see what happens. Omicron is super deadly and will flood hospitals with the extremely sick and dying. Run don't walk to your nearest dosing center.