Newfie wrote:Adam,
This thread is about degrowth.
Newfie wrote:Are you not familiar with my previous answers?
The idea that humans are using excessive resources dawned on me in 3rd or 4th grade, it just seems obvious. That is about 1962, roughly.
Newfie wrote:About the same time I figured out God didn’t make sense.
Newfie wrote:You probably never heard of my Dad, no one has. But he had it figured out. He used to take places and show me things and say “I just want you to see this before it is gone.” He would tell me how things had changed in his lifetime. Does not take much to then extrapolate that we are consuming excessively. Perpetual motion is BS. I learned from him.
Newfie wrote:Adam,
Sorry to hear of your suck childhood.
Newfie wrote:Do you understand NOW why I am not familiar with these guys?
Newfie wrote:I had a fair understanding from my own life and observations, I did not need to read the Cannon of Leak Oil literature to grock the issue.
Newfie wrote:Have you read Farley Mowat “Sea of Slaughter”?
AdamB wrote:Newfie wrote:Adam,
Sorry to hear of your suck childhood.
Interestingly, it wasn't. Not in hindsight anyway, how much do any of us remember about those years that a shrink would say are wildly formative? I remember things, but don't usually attach "suck" to them as much as just "that is the way". Dad shooting up grandma's house looking for mom after he was booted from the Air Force? A memory of the bullet holes in the wall on the opposite side of the house from the big front plate glass window, but nothing else. Being hungry and LOVING certain foods that were like special things, I remember that. Donuts after church services on Sunday, Moms handmade pizza once a week, running water after not having it for a month or two in the winter, and oh yeah, MEAT. That one I've got a fixation with, and when I turned 10 and got a 22, it was rabbits and squirrels, at 12, white tail deer. In season, out of season, didn't matter, venison never went to waste in the holler.
Turned 18, left for college and never went back.Newfie wrote:Do you understand NOW why I am not familiar with these guys?
No, not really. I understand what you explained that seems to indicate you knew all the pertinent parts of degrowth through other learning experiences, but I don't automatically link that to a specific reference that was quite prolific during the "we really did think peak oil was gonna kill us all" days.Newfie wrote:I had a fair understanding from my own life and observations, I did not need to read the Cannon of Leak Oil literature to grock the issue.
That part I did get. I was under the mistaken assumption you were validating Duncan's work or the halfwits who were unfamiliar with his work themselves, as opposed to it being more...organic...in your case.Newfie wrote:Have you read Farley Mowat “Sea of Slaughter”?
No. But having just looked it up, based on where it takes place I can see how you might be quite familiar with it. I'm a Leatherstocking Tales guy, James Fenimore Cooper.
Newfie wrote:Good for you for dealing with all those daunting challanges. It's funny, some plants thrive in sidewalk cracks, some wither in a hot house. What you did is not easy.
Newfie wrote:My favorite gun is a Ruger 77 in 22WMR. Keeps the pot full of squirrel. Not that I get much opportunity anymore.
I think it starts with doing something we have never done before which is to formulate what it is we, as a species, really value.
IMHO what we want, what I want, is to retain our knowledge and the ability to expand our knowledge while maintaining a sustainable ecosystem. I don’t even know if that is possible, but I think it is.
That sort of growth is unsustainable for our ecosphere, risking a 'population correction' that according to a new study could occur before the century is out.
The prediction is the work of population ecologist William Rees from the University of British Columbia in Canada. He argues that we're using up Earth's resources at an unsustainable rate, and that our natural tendencies as humans make it difficult for us to correct this "advanced ecological overshoot".
The result could be some kind of civilizational collapse that 'corrects' the world's population, Rees says – one that could happen before the end of the century in a worst case scenario. Only the richest and most resilient societies would be left.
"Homo sapiens has evolved to reproduce exponentially, expand geographically, and consume all available resources," Rees writes in his published paper.
Newfie wrote:Degrowth getting some media space.
https://theconversation.com/critics-of- ... ble-211496
andYou may not have noticed, but earlier this month we passed Earth overshoot day, when humanity’s demands for ecological resources and services exceeded what our planet can regenerate annually.
Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when humanity’s demand for ecological resources and services in a given year exceeds what Earth can regenerate in that year.
Newfie wrote:Why not just cancel the race?
Or where you trying to be ironic?
In either case you may wish to read the next post I linked about Rees. ...compared to him you are a positive PollyAnna.
In 2007 McPherson predicted the USA's trucking industry would collapse by 2012 due to peak oil
In 2008 he predicted the end of civilization by 2018 due to peak oil
Guy R. McPherson is an American scientist, professor emeritus of natural resources and ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona. He is known for inventing and promoting doomer fringe theories such as Near-Term Human Extinction (NTHE), which predicts human extinction by 2026.
Newfie wrote:In his last post he said he was going to take some time off from PO.
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