Newfie wrote:ralfy wrote:"If everyone lived in an ‘ecovillage’, the Earth would still be in trouble"
https://theconversation.com/if-everyone ... uble-43905
Ralphy,
Yes, a good article. Thank you for postingZ
Distressingly the very first sentence in that report is drastically wrong.
From a 10-15 year old interview with Rees Canadians consume about 8 acres of productivity, Americans about 10. Average is round about 1. At this AVERAGE we ares using 2-1/2 times Earths capability to replenish. Move that Average up to 8 and we would he using over 10 the replenishment capacity.
Now suppose we Americans, and all Western society, reduced our consumption to 1 acre, and the excess capacity/resources went to the below average, we would still be using 2-1/2 times replenishment capacity.
To hold our current population and to reduce consumption to below replenishment levels we have to live on less than 1/2 acre per person. Or cut American/Western consumption to 5% if current l usage.
Even if Rees/Walkenburg are wrong by a factor of 10 we would still have to reduce Western consumption by 50%.
Rees/Walkenburg due believe their model is wrong, in that it is too optimistic, making the matter even worse.
I have a friend, really bright lawyer. Named top lawyer in his populace state by the states lawyers association, he has argued a case before the Supreme Court. I have sat in a board with him and he has a very sharp analytical mind. He is a staunch liberal, strong Greenie. When I tried to explain this to him he absolutely COULD NOT believe it. It was many steps too far for him to accept that our situation was that dire. His reaction to my arguments was of disgust, as if I were telling him to literally eat shit. It is an abhorrent concept.
I believe in many ways he is of the same class, attitude, training, and culture as our ruling politicians. The necessary solutions are beyond their comprehension.
I have an even better example I will leave for latter.
I do not know how to deal with that.
careinke wrote:The data in the article above is way out of date. Sustainability is just hanging on until you are killed by a black swan. Maybe humans are responsible for everything, but it will certainly take humans to fix things. We need to embrace regenerative practices, and you can't do that without animals. Vegans hurt the cause. They steal food from animals and increase medical expenses.
Peace
Newfie wrote:careinke wrote:The data in the article above is way out of date. Sustainability is just hanging on until you are killed by a black swan. Maybe humans are responsible for everything, but it will certainly take humans to fix things. We need to embrace regenerative practices, and you can't do that without animals. Vegans hurt the cause. They steal food from animals and increase medical expenses.
Peace
Which article?
I’m f you are implying the situation is worse than presented I would agree.
But Danny Khanaman, (Nobel in Economics) who passed this week, would argue it is not within our makeup to provide the answer you seek. We are far too reactionary to provide the systemic guidance needed.
Ironically it is something amenable to AI, but we would have to surrender ourselves to its direction.
So would Rees and Wacknagel (spelling almost approximate)
careinke wrote:Newfie wrote:careinke wrote:The data in the article above is way out of date. Sustainability is just hanging on until you are killed by a black swan. Maybe humans are responsible for everything, but it will certainly take humans to fix things. We need to embrace regenerative practices, and you can't do that without animals. Vegans hurt the cause. They steal food from animals and increase medical expenses.
Peace
Which article?
I’m f you are implying the situation is worse than presented I would agree.
But Danny Khanaman, (Nobel in Economics) who passed this week, would argue it is not within our makeup to provide the answer you seek. We are far too reactionary to provide the systemic guidance needed.
Ironically it is something amenable to AI, but we would have to surrender ourselves to its direction.
So would Rees and Wacknagel (spelling almost approximate)
This article:
https://theconversation.com/if-everyone-lived-in-an-ecovillage-the-earth-would-still-be-in-trouble-43905
Actually, I am more hopeful. There are now better solutions through permaculture, AI, Crypto Currencies, etc. Plus, a lot more soil can be produced, giving us even more land. There are examples everywhere. Although it would be easier if we still had borders....
Peace
ralfy wrote:Those aren't solutions, especially crypto currencies.
Borders. Good grief.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... nisia.htmlSlipped into a $1.2 trillion budget signed by Biden last weekend is about $380 million for “enhanced border security” projects in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, and Tunisia — about $150 million of which must go to border security in Jordan.
Meanwhile, the budget puts strict limitations on the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) ability to construct physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border to deter illegal immigration.
“The Biden administration wants nothing more than the ability to ‘manage’ an invasion here at home, all while helping nations abroad build walls,” RJ Hauman with the National Immigration Center for Enforcement (NICE) told Breitbart News. “Make it make sense.”
Newfie wrote:An article on China's population decline.
I have referred to this before, this is a more complete discussion of the situation and how the analysis was completed.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... an-2022-07
yellowcanoe wrote: A recent 60 minutes episode showed large numbers of Chinese crossing into the US from Mexico through a hole in the fence.
https://www.discovery.org/a/a-chinese-f ... ed-states/The entry of Chinese in the mix of people seeking entry to the U.S. is a new red flag for it is very difficult for Chinese to get authorization to leave China. It’s almost certain that the CCP has allowed and arranged for select Chinese to travel to Central America and Mexico with plans and maps for them to make their way up to and get over the southern border. And the purpose could be to establish a Chinese “Fifth Column” presence in the United States.
The CCP and its military have already been infiltrating Taiwan to act as “Fifth Column” units to undertake cyberattacks and place false information on social media and to undermine Taiwan’s state telecommunications infrastructure.
yellowcanoe wrote:Newfie wrote:An article on China's population decline.
I have referred to this before, this is a more complete discussion of the situation and how the analysis was completed.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... an-2022-07
they also have people who want to leave for a better life elsewhere. A recent 60 minutes episode showed large numbers of Chinese crossing into the US from Mexico through a hole in the fence.
Newfie wrote:yellowcanoe wrote:Newfie wrote:An article on China's population decline.
I have referred to this before, this is a more complete discussion of the situation and how the analysis was completed.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... an-2022-07
they also have people who want to leave for a better life elsewhere. A recent 60 minutes episode showed large numbers of Chinese crossing into the US from Mexico through a hole in the fence.
IIRC they are spending $50-$60 thousand for the ride.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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