AdamB wrote:evilgenius wrote:You can look at the Ukraine, and Putin's threat to invade it, and tell that peak oil is real. But you can also tell that it is on the back burner.
If you want to argue Peak Natural Gas perhaps, but wars that aren't even wars yet are no more peak oil derived than the war in Vietnam, Russia's war against Chechnya, Gulf War 1 or 2, the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan or America's abandonment of it in 2021.
evilgenius wrote:They used to call it the Grand Game, or the Great Game. It was what statesmen and aristocrats did in the run up to World War I, and have been doing since. It's as strategic as the Cold War, which is another war you could make the same criticisms of, looking for a plot.
I don't think the people who think this way for the US are ignoring the situation with oil. It does look like the situation is not dire, like it may have looked in 2006, when there were fewer alternatives. We can see an electric future, now. It even has excellent 4WD!
AdamB wrote:evilgenius wrote:They used to call it the Grand Game, or the Great Game. It was what statesmen and aristocrats did in the run up to World War I, and have been doing since. It's as strategic as the Cold War, which is another war you could make the same criticisms of, looking for a plot.
I don't think the people who think this way for the US are ignoring the situation with oil. It does look like the situation is not dire, like it may have looked in 2006, when there were fewer alternatives. We can see an electric future, now. It even has excellent 4WD!
Those of us around during the 1970's are quite familiar with The Great Game, as you have described it (reasonably well I might add). It was far more serious then and had a name, The Carter Doctrine. The basics of it are probably no different than they are today, other than it seems far away in a world where the US is the world's largest producer of both oil and gas, and exporter of LNG. Those things will one day come to an end, and we'll be back right where we were 45 years ago. The good news being we've got more time now than we thought we did back then, and EVs are really a thing, rather than homebuilt toys of hobbyists. It doesn't hurt sitting right beside the world's largest accumulation of oil all under the control of a friendly foreign power though, in the long run.
AdamB wrote:Oil: Saudi Arabia announces peak production in 2027 Reporterre
During his meeting with the US President on July 16, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia announced that the country’s oil production is set to peak at 13 million barrels per day, meaning it will plateau before gradually declining. Once that level is reached, “the kingdom will no longer be able to increase its production any further,” the prince said in a speech.
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Plantagenet wrote:If the Saudis aren't already at peak oil, then why haven't they pumped more oil since Biden went to KSA and begged the Saudis for more oil?
AdamB wrote:Plantagenet wrote:If the Saudis aren't already at peak oil, then why haven't they pumped more oil since Biden went to KSA and begged the Saudis for more oil?
vtsnowedin wrote: Now if Biden offered them a sweet little weapons deal they might have calculated the net of that but apparently that was not the plan.
Plantagenet wrote:
But Biden did offer the Saudis a weapons deal. I'm surprised you and Adam don't know about this.....wait....I'm surprised you didn't see this, Snowie, as you are usually very well informed. I'm definitely not surprised that AdamB is ignorant of the facts----its to be expected in his case.
vtsnowedin wrote: Three billion in rockets to resupply their existing Patriot stockpiles is hardly a big deal and just undoes a stupid Biden initiative.
Plantagenet wrote:
Or is it because Saudi can't increase its current oil output?
IMHO its probably both.
Cheers!
Is that because Prince Muhammad can see that Biden is a senile old fool, and Prince Muhammad played him for a fool??
Or is it because Saudi can't increase its current oil output?
Doly wrote:Is that because Prince Muhammad can see that Biden is a senile old fool, and Prince Muhammad played him for a fool??
Or is it because Saudi can't increase its current oil output?
Biden might be a senile old fool, but he's supposed to have some competent people in the White House to tell him about important stuff, such as, Saudi Arabia can't increase its current oil output. So as far as I'm concerned, the mystery of why he travelled at all to Saudi Arabia remains.
vtsnowedin wrote: Which "competent person" in the White house are you referring to? I can't think of one.
AdamB wrote:
mousepad wrote:Ahhh, the good old times, when a righteous press was fighting for the people, upsetting a strongman.
Now it's different. It's brave men fighting against a foul press.
mousepad wrote:When did the media become so vile? Did the press lie with the pigs for too long?
Absolutely not. No , and a thousand times no.AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote: Which "competent person" in the White house are you referring to? I can't think of one.
Secretaries of Treasury, Defense, and the Attorney General would seem to qualify. Hard pressed to find others though.
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