theluckycountry wrote:Oil prices could shoot up to a record $185 per barrel if the European Union acts to impose a full immediate ban on imports of Russian oil, JPMorgan says.
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/ ... o-185.html
AdamB wrote:theluckycountry wrote:Oil prices could shoot up to a record $185 per barrel if the European Union acts to impose a full immediate ban on imports of Russian oil, JPMorgan says.
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/ ... o-185.html
Outstanding!! Go extinct you ICE powered antiquities, your time is up!
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:theluckycountry wrote:Oil prices could shoot up to a record $185 per barrel if the European Union acts to impose a full immediate ban on imports of Russian oil, JPMorgan says.
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/ ... o-185.html
Outstanding!! Go extinct you ICE powered antiquities, your time is up!
A $185 price would be short lived and as ICE cars last fifteen years now on average their extinction is a long ways out.
vtsnowedin wrote: The EV cars need to deliver a' new to salvage yard' cost to own set of statistics that show them being more cost efficient to own then an ICE car before the ICE cars are in any danger. That may very well happen but it has not happened yet.
vtsnowedin wrote:In danger yes but not yet.
vtsnowedin wrote:Too few Teslas have made it to the scrap yard to have reliable figures on total lifetime cost per mile.
vtsnowedin wrote:And they may have to include higher fire insurance bills for garages holding them while charging if they can't fix that problem.
vtsnowedin wrote:But if I was a betting man I'd bet on the EVs winning out within a decade.
you might think it is a Jim dandy great idea to blast cubic $$ of discretionary income out the door for something so simple as fuel to get around,
Well, when the stupid things don't break because their moving parts are few and far between, why should they be junked? I have like 3 main moving parts on my EV, how many are in the engine alone of that Subaru you recently acquired? I'll bet its more than 3.
vtsnowedin wrote:Fire insurance bills will be based on the incident rate that actually happens. For ICE cars garaged it is quite low as once they are shut off and cool down few incidents have occurred over time.
The EV is having energy pumped into them while charging so is not in a static state and things can and do happen. I am optimistic the problem will get solved shortly but the insurance actuaries will want a data set to set the rates by.
vtsnowedin wrote:you might think it is a Jim dandy great idea to blast cubic $$ of discretionary income out the door for something so simple as fuel to get around,
For most people fuel needed to get to and from work is not discretionary income or expense. it is just a necessity to get the balance of the income needed. Just like a super tanker burning some oil to get the rest of the load to market.
vtsnowedin wrote:Well, when the stupid things don't break because their moving parts are few and far between, why should they be junked? I have like 3 main moving parts on my EV, how many are in the engine alone of that Subaru you recently acquired? I'll bet its more than 3.
Every thing wears out eventually and for EVs it might be the battery or the body panels or frame or maybe just the seats and other interior appointments or perhaps they will make the chips obsolete like they do with your cell phone.
vtsnowedin wrote:That the electric drive motors are still good will make no difference if the rest of the vehicle is undriveable. If they last more miles then an ICE car that is good but the question is what is the total cost per mile lifetime reguardless of how long the lifetime is.
Not that many years ago I had a Chevy pick up that cost me 23 cents per mile all costs included over 256,000 miles. Best I ever got.
Okay...the expense of fuel isn't discretionary.....a purchase decision requiring the use of expensive fuels is. Which means, said consumers after making that decision shouldn't get an inch of newsprint or TV time whining about how much their fuel costs are post purchase. They signed up for that cost upfront....now they get to enjoy the benefit of that choice...and the consequences.
vtsnowedin wrote:Okay...the expense of fuel isn't discretionary.....a purchase decision requiring the use of expensive fuels is. Which means, said consumers after making that decision shouldn't get an inch of newsprint or TV time whining about how much their fuel costs are post purchase. They signed up for that cost upfront....now they get to enjoy the benefit of that choice...and the consequences.
If there is an intelligible thought there I fail to see it.
AdamB wrote:I have owned perhaps 42 automobiles in my time,
having driven some 1.36 million miles with them
Not once did I make a purchase on a hoped for cost per mile.
mousepad wrote:Not once did I make a purchase on a hoped for cost per mile.
Of course not. If one is as crazy as you about cars one makes emotional purchase decisions, not cost per mile decisions.
mousepad wrote:I owned maybe 4 cars in 30 years. And for each purchase I did a lot of CPM research. 1.36 Mmiles driven? That's like 3 years spent in a car. Crazy.
vtsnowedin wrote:Well, when the stupid things don't break because their moving parts are few and far between, why should they be junked? I have like 3 main moving parts on my EV, how many are in the engine alone of that Subaru you recently acquired? I'll bet its more than 3.
Every thing wears out eventually and for EVs it might be the battery or the body panels or frame
theluckycountry wrote: At 10 years an EV is up for a complete new battery pack, tens of thousands of dollars.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Okay...the expense of fuel isn't discretionary.....a purchase decision requiring the use of expensive fuels is. Which means, said consumers after making that decision shouldn't get an inch of newsprint or TV time whining about how much their fuel costs are post purchase. They signed up for that cost upfront....now they get to enjoy the benefit of that choice...and the consequences.
If there is an intelligible thought there I fail to see it.
Well then pictures for those with literacy difficulties!
Doly wrote:AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Okay...the expense of fuel isn't discretionary.....a purchase decision requiring the use of expensive fuels is. Which means, said consumers after making that decision shouldn't get an inch of newsprint or TV time whining about how much their fuel costs are post purchase. They signed up for that cost upfront....now they get to enjoy the benefit of that choice...and the consequences.
If there is an intelligible thought there I fail to see it.
Well then pictures for those with literacy difficulties!
There definitely was an intelligible thought there. The idea was that if somebody buys a car that uses an expensive fuel, it's their mistake and they have no right to complain about the price of fuel.
Doly wrote:What is not an intelligible thought for me is why a picture improves things for some people/bots/cyborgs. Which it obviously does, the way people behave in this forum, and other forums. Does anybody care to explain?
vtsnowedin wrote:
Come November people will complain about fuel prices in a way the politicians have to listen to!
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