ralfy wrote:According to one lecturer in another thread about peak oil, in countries that have high EV densities, it turns out that EVs are used as second vehicles, with ICEVs retained, because the former has numerous disadvantages, including short ranges, difficulties in handling inclines, high costs ...
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 023-11-01/TOKYO (AP) — Toyota’s profit for the first fiscal quarter jumped to 1.3 trillion yen ($9 billion) — a quarterly record for Japan’s top automaker ...Quarterly sales totaled 2.3 million vehicles, up from 2 million the previous year. Demand for its hybrid models was especially strong. Toyota has long been a leader in hybrids, which switch back and forth between an electric motor and gas engine to deliver higher mileage.
Koji Sato ...is promising an aggressive shift on electrification. He has acknowledged Toyota fell behind in electric vehicles, but he also stressed it’s going to catch up.
Q2 operating profit jumps 155.6%
Raises full-year f'cast 50% to 4.5 trln yen
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mr-pr ... -crumbling...Additionally, the soaring prices of new electric vehicles pose a significant affordability challenge for the average working-class American. Beyond affordability issues, consumer interest in EVs is also waning. This sentiment is echoed by 3,900 auto dealers who have written to President Biden, urging his administration to reconsider the pace of EV mandates, citing a severe decline in demand for these vehicles.
EVs had 79 percent more reliability problems than a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle, on average. Plug-in hybrids fared even worse; these had 146 percent more issues on average than the conventional alternative.
Consumer Reports has reliabity scores for individual models. It's behind a paywall though:Pops wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of EV models alone, or select models vs ICEs, rather than all manufacturers of every stripe. I guess I'm not so interested to look for one tho, LOL
That's basically what the article says as well: EVs are new so it is to be expected they will be less reliable than ICE that has been around for awhile now. Although I was a bit surprised to see Hybrids rank better than ICE. You would think with their less proven and more complicated drivetrain they would have more issues than ICE. Although that may just be because most hybrids are made by more reliable automakers like Toyota and have less bells and whistles.Pops wrote:But really, ICEs have been around for 150+ years, EVs maybe 20 at production levels, less? High failure rate early, then increasing reliability is typical of any new product. I am old enough to remember when getting 100k from an ICE was unusual, now 200 without much fuss is expected. I've put good money into a 20 Y/O diesel because 200k for that particular engine is mid-life.
EVs have 79% more reliability problems than gas cars"EVs are still in their relative infancy as mainstream vehicles, so it’s really not surprising that manufacturers, by and large, are still working out the kinks. That said, we are seeing signs of movement in the right direction. And as our data has consistently shown, reliability-minded consumers would be best served by forgoing brand new vehicles in their first model year."
Electric Vehicles Are Less Reliable Than Conventional CarsHybrid Reliability Shines
This year’s survey data show that hybrids continue to be among the most reliable vehicle type: Hybrids have 26 percent fewer problems than conventional models, even though they have both a conventional powertrain and an electric motor and therefore more potential problem spots than conventional cars.
“It might not seem that long ago, but Toyota launched the Prius hybrid about 25 years ago,” Elek says. “Automakers have been making hybrids long enough that they’ve gotten really good at it. Plus, many hybrids are also made by manufacturers that tend to produce reliable vehicles overall.
Hybrids also are not typically loaded with high-tech features like multiple customizable displays that can be problem-prone, which is why Fisher says they are great options for drivers who are more interested in getting ideal fuel mileage than they are in bells and whistles. “These vehicles are not necessarily a tour de force of technology, so there’s just less that can go wrong with them.”
Fisher says there are always exceptions to these reliability trends, which is why it’s vital to consider the reliability score of any model before buying. “PHEVs as a class are unreliable, but the Toyota RAV4 Prime plug-in hybrid is one of the most reliable models in our survey this year. Similarly, the Ford F-150 hybrid has transmission and other issues that buck the trend of strong hybrid reliability.”
Pops wrote:
Personally I'll never own an EV, to poor. I may build an e-bike or maybe trike.
theluckycountry wrote: I bought a S/H Bafang converted mountain bike, it's a real pleasure to cruse out into the hills,
The biggest letdown on all of them is the drive-train imo, specifically the chain.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-v ... =251795045Electric vehicles have nearly 80% more problems and are generally less reliable than cars propelled by conventional internal combustion engines, according to a new report from Consumer Reports.
Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) have an even worse scorecard, with an average of almost 150% more problems, the consumer group found. By contrast, ordinary hybrid cars are a "bright spot," with about a quarter fewer problems than gas-powered cars, the analysis found.
Consumer Reports' latest vehicle reliability report comes as car buyers can take advantage of a federal tax credit worth up to $7,500 for purchasing an EV and as automakers roll out a host of new models. But consumers have been slower to adapt to EVs than expected, partly because they are often more expensive to maintain than traditional vehicles and require extra equipment, such as a home electric charging port.
"This story is really one of growing pains," said Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. "It's a story of just working out the bugs and the kinks of new technology."
The findings are based on a survey of Consumer Reports' members about problems they've had with their vehicles in the prior year. The current report included data on more than 330,000 vehicles made between 2000 to 2023, with a few reports about new 2024 models.
EV owners most frequently reported troubles with battery and charging systems, as well as flaws in how the vehicles' body panels and interior parts fit together. Consumer Reports noted that EV manufacturers are still learning to make completely new power systems, and it suggested that as they do the overall reliability of electric vehicles should improve.
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