[noobtube]

Crime has always been "bad" in American cities because that's where the wealth is.

That' sounds nice but lets not ignore the data and the math. The government collects data on criminal activity and when you look at the data its clear crime has recently gotten much worse in big cities in the USA.

people complaining about crime is like someone complaining about being wealthy.

That statement does't make any sense.

When drug addicts living on the street block off a business so customers can't enter, or shoplift so much product that the store has to close it doesn't any sense to expect those people not to complain about it.

People robbing and attacking other people isn't something that people want to put up with. Thats why we have governments that pass laws to discourage criminal activity and police to enforce those laws.

Your implication that people shouldn't complain about increases in crime is silly....people are naturally going to complain when the environment they live in gets worse.

The cities have survived fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, power outages, political corruption, and organized crime, and so on. Why? Because cities sit on the best land, with the most infrastructure investment. Young people, immigrants, and the rich love the cities.

Of course. Those are nice sounding and obvious platitudes about cities.



But platitudes don't change the data about what is happening now in US cities.. It's simply a fact that crime rates in many large US cities have recently surged, and in response businesses, hotels and many workers are fleeing those cities.

Cheers!

Oh, when you use platitudes about "crime" and "safe streets" and "police", I guess it's different?

The United States glorifies crime. They made a whole genre of entertainment about it. You ever heard of The Godfather. You ever heard of Scarface. You ever heard of Goodfellas. Let's not talk about The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Weeds, and on and on.

Your platitudes about the poor "rich" businessman being a victim of crime or the poor "rich" corporation losing some trinkets off the shelf rings awfully hollow when they got their advantages from the same system that denied it to others. As they say, "it's a cost of doing business." If you can't handle theft, then you shouldn't be in business.

Personally, it drives me nuts that incompetent morons who don't know how to run a business, expect me, as a taxpayer, to pay for their incompetence, while they whine to the press and the police about "the crime" when these same clowns get tax abatements, rebates, subsidies, and straight-up hand-outs from the government (see Tesla).

Where was this whining about retail crime 10 years ago? So, what changed?

Don't give me that things were so much better in the past. I remember the hysteria about drugs in the 80s, street crime in the 90s, and terrorism in the 2000s. It's as if the typical moron listens to the state-run media, and gets hysterical about whatever Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC is screaming about that news cycle.

Corporations are the biggest criminals in the country. But, of course, if you own a corporation, everyone else is the criminal when they aren't allowed to rip you off for "profit" and "stock prices."

Are you going to tell me about the Golden Times of the 1920s, with Al Capone.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1930s with Bonnie and Clyde, and John Dillinger.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1940s with the mob-controlled labor rackets.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1950s with the mob-run Teamsters.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1960s with mob-controlled garment, cement, and construction rackets.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1970s with mob-controlled Vegas.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1980s with the Colombian drug cartels.
Or, the Golden Times of the 1990s with the Russian criminal organizations.
Or, the Golden Times of the 2000s with the corporate-controlled heroin/opium/meth operations.

I guess it's only platitudes when it doesn't match your platitudes about "law and order", "safe streets", and "the crime" that has you in hysterics.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Crime has always been "bad" in American cities because that's where the wealth is. So, people complaining about crime is like someone complaining about being wealthy.

It is why you had Al Capone, the Italian Mafia, drug cartels, and organized crime. In the heyday of American power and wealth, criminality was in its golden age.

It is all about quality.

So for example:
1. High quality jobs are replaced with burger swapping.
2. High quality women are replaced with repugnant womanoids.
3. High quality crime is replaced with flash mobs ransacking Walmart stores.
4. High quality paid triggers are replaced with random school shooters.
5. High quality police officers are replaced with fat pigs.
6. High quality illegal drugs are replaced with tranq (xylazine).
7. High quality men are replaced with snowflakes
8. High quality graduates are replaced with gender students
9. High quality philosophers are replaced with chat GPT
10. High quality presidents are replaced with Joe Biden
11. High quality media are replaced with Instagram and Tik Tok
12. High quality bridges are replaced with... nothing (they are just falling apart and no one cares).

These are components collectively combining into death of cities.

[theluckycountry]

Crime has always been "bad" in American cities because that's where the wealth is...
Crime actually indicates things are going good, not bad.

Well that may be the general American experience, but people in Switzerland or Australia, or Singapore or Norway would tend to disagree with you. I think the people in San Francisco today might be starting to disagree too.

Interesting outlook you have noobtube

[EnergyUnlimited]

I think the people in San Francisco today might be starting to disagree too.

Interesting outlook you have noobtube

People in Juarez, Tijuana, Celaya (all Mexico), Kingston (Jamaica) or Cape Town (South Africa) would disagree too.
They are usually very poor and even more crime ridden.

[noobtube]

Crime has always been "bad" in American cities because that's where the wealth is...
Crime actually indicates things are going good, not bad.

Well that may be the general American experience, but people in Switzerland or Australia, or Singapore or Norway would tend to disagree with you. I think the people in San Francisco today might be starting to disagree too.

Interesting outlook you have noobtube

If you have immigrants, you MUST have high-crime rates. Centuries of American history have shown that.

Crime occurs when different groups are fighting for resources against the will of those who are hoarding all the resources. At least, that's the type of crime the state-run media always screams about here. You'd think the average New Yorker/Chicagoan/San Franciscoan walking outside their front door will get robbed, raped, and killed, listening to Fox News/MSNBC/CNN.

When it comes to actual crime, such as Enron, Worldcom, Broadcom, Bernie Madoff, Jeffrey Epstein, Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman-Fried, Harvey Weinstein and other approved criminals, you never hear anything until the damage has destroyed careers, industries, and economies.

The talking heads on TV give you play-by-play of minor, insignificant, petty nonsense to distract everyone from the ACTUAL criminals (like the immigrant Elon Musk).

The United States is nothing more than a gangster government. That's why it's always funny to me when people talk about crime as if it never existed here. In the "good old days" you had serial killers, mass murderers, hitmen/assassins, child rape, incest, cannibalism, and so on. It's crazy to hear someone in the United States claim this country has ever been anything but a land of perverted degenerates.

Yet, people still want to come here. Go figure.

People in Juarez, Tijuana, Celaya (all Mexico), Kingston (Jamaica) or Cape Town (South Africa) would disagree too.
They are usually very poor and even more crime ridden.

You need to define "crime" for me. What "crimes" are being committed if there is no property/wealth?

In the United States, "crime" seems to mean anyone not politcally approved who does something you don't like.

[theluckycountry]

It's crazy to hear someone in the United States claim this country has ever been anything but a land of perverted degenerates.

Yet, people still want to come here. Go figure.

It's a magnet for malcontents, always has been. For people who can't make it in their countries of origin. Hoards of Irish came over in their time because the British government was persecuting Catholics. They had a chip on their shoulder when they arrived, they weren't happy and free settlers. Same here, doesn't matter where they come from they are always people who were rejected by their own peers, or fled due to being persecuted by their own country. It takes generations before that is cleared out of a race of immigrants and in the interim they are anti-social dirt-bags.

[Plantagenet]

Cheers!

[noobtube]

It's crazy to hear someone in the United States claim this country has ever been anything but a land of perverted degenerates.

Yet, people still want to come here. Go figure.

It's a magnet for malcontents, always has been. For people who can't make it in their countries of origin. Hoards of Irish came over in their time because the British government was persecuting Catholics. They had a chip on their shoulder when they arrived, they weren't happy and free settlers. Same here, doesn't matter where they come from they are always people who were rejected by their own peers, or fled due to being persecuted by their own country. It takes generations before that is cleared out of a race of immigrants and in the interim they are anti-social dirt-bags.

Can't argue with that.

The United States is nothing more than an on-going criminal organization. It's the only way this country makes any sense.

[EnergyUnlimited]

You need to define "crime" for me. What "crimes" are being committed if there is no property/wealth?

That's easy - murders
I have listed few cities with highest murder rate on the world.
Celaya, Tijuana, Juarez are #1, #2 and #3.
Cape Town is #10
Kingston is #17

Here you have updated list of 50 most dangerous cities on the world:
https://www.worldatlas.com/cities/the-m ... world.html
You will find that most are ridden by poverty too.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Hoards of Irish came over in their time because the British government was persecuting Catholics. They had a chip on their shoulder when they arrived, they weren't happy and free settlers.

Many Irish came there as a result of irish potato famine of 1850.

Same here, doesn't matter where they come from they are always people who were rejected by their own peers, or fled due to being persecuted by their own country. It takes generations before that is cleared out of a race of immigrants and in the interim they are anti-social dirt-bags.

I was wondering about construction of COVID camps in Australia.
Was it a referral to national heritage?
Peoples just started doing something what they have coded in genes as working best?
No other western nation have established an infrastructure of COVID camps after all, Australia got famous of it.
Djokowic case have made particularly bad PR for Australia in this respect, though he was kept in regular prison and not in the camp.
Here in Poland we had for few days news updates about large Australian police operation to hunt few teenagers who escaped from COVID camp. It was quite surrealistic to watch these news.

[Newfie]

Covid camps in Australia?

[theluckycountry]

Many Irish came there as a result of irish potato famine of 1850.

Yeah, that's what I told an Irish GF I had once, she went into a big rant about how the famine was not caused by a blight but by the British government who forced the export of food to Britain. It was only the Catholics who were persecuted btw, she was catholic. This shouldn't surprise up, History is full of lies, the victor writing it.

In 1798, inspired by the American and French revolutions, the Irish staged a major rebellion against British rule. Widespread hangings and floggings soon followed as the rebellion was brutally squashed. The English Army in Ireland was also increased to nearly 100,000 men.

https://www.historyplace.com/worldhisto ... before.htm

Those who would commemorate the Irish "potato famine" (news article, Feb. 20) must start by truthfully describing what happened.

There was no Irish potato famine; the starvation of Ireland was planned in London. The million-plus Irish who starved to death did not die from lack of potatoes. They died from lack of food; from the gunpoint removal and export of the abundant wheat, oats, barley, beef, mutton, pork, poultry, eggs, butter, milk, fruit and vegetables that they themselves produced. Nassau Senior, economist to the Crown, is quoted as saying in 1845, "only one million Irish are likely to die; and that will not be enough to do much good."

When in 1845, the potato blight, phytophthora infestans, finally spread to Ireland from America via Europe, the British Government responded by withdrawing troops from its empire and redeploying them to Ireland, 100,000 of them, to implement its food removal policy. The reason? The Times of London reported Sept.31, 1845, "in England the two main meals of a working man's day now consists of potatoes."

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/24/opin ... 87995.html
https://www.irishecho.com/2020/12/the-t ... ish-famine

This is on topic by the way. Most of those starved were in the cities, the same as happened in the great famine in France, and in Germany prior to the great depression. City people are at the end of a looong food chain and that's especially true today.

[theluckycountry]

I was wondering about construction of COVID camps in Australia.

No other western nation have established an infrastructure of COVID camps after all, Australia got famous of it.

Yeah, they are like those famous FEMA camps in America, if they exist they have never been used. Perhaps you're referring to the isolation facility at Wellcamp airport. That was for quarantining international arrivals but I don't know if it was ever employed. Most arrivals went into 5 star hotels.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I was wondering about construction of COVID camps in Australia.

No other western nation have established an infrastructure of COVID camps after all, Australia got famous of it.

Yeah, they are like those famous FEMA camps in America, if they exist they have never been used. Perhaps you're referring to the isolation facility at Wellcamp airport. That was for quarantining international arrivals but I don't know if it was ever employed. Most arrivals went into 5 star hotels.

Obviously you live in Australia so you should know better.
Nevertheless in our MAINSTREAM news there was plenty of referrals to Australian COVID camps which was also called in our news quarantine camps or even concentration camps.
Here you have an example - please translate it from Polish by your favorite translator, you may find this article interesting.
It is from one of our MAINSTREAM outlets:
https://dorzeczy.pl/swiat/234097/austra ... tanny.html
Key findings:
1. Mentioned COVID camp was located in place called Howard Springs. Photo of facility enclosed.
2. Michael Gunner responsible of Northern Territory have declared that army is ordered to forcefully transport COVID-positive people and their friends/families to "quarantine camps" with an aid of military lorries.
3. Three teenagers aged 15,16,17 were forcibly sent to this camp despite of being COVID negative. Authorities have found that they had a contact with someone infected and this was sufficient.
4. They escaped.
5. They were caught as a result of police operation (you won't find it here but in our national TV this police operation was illustrated by police helicopters flying over countryside with armed men sitting in open helicopter door ready to open fire).

There were many other claims in our news about these Australian COVID camps including claims of plans to build "concentration camps for unvaccinated Aborigines and opening collection of offers from contractors interested to run them"
https://salonpolityczny.plportal.pl/art ... aborygenow

In yet another concentration camp (photo included) anyone questioning Australian government COVID policy could be locked:
https://cai24.pl/swiat/40014/szokujace- ... la-wladzy/

So how it really was as per your local knowledge?

[theluckycountry]

The Howard Springs centre near Darwin in the Northern Territory is one of Australia's main quarantine facilities for people returning to the country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59486285

Yes it existed, I'd never heard of it. As the story says it was for international travelers. And the aboriginals have always been herded into camps. Many are still very primitive believe it of not. What was worse in Australia, totally draconian actually, was the closing of ALL state borders. Every road across every border had police roadblocks and you simply couldn't go from state to state unless you were a truck driver carrying a load. Now get this! There was a loophole. If you were buying a house in another state you were allowed to travel across the border. But if you were returning home from a camping trip when the lockdowns were enforced you were trapped out. You had to camp by the border for a few months. Total insanity.

Honestly for all the drama of it very few people were effected and most like myself couldn't care less. The government shelled out hundreds of Billions (which they borrowed from international banks I assume) to pay Aussies to stay home and pay businesses to close. It was like one big national holiday, beer sales went through the roof and sales of exercise equipment too. The price of dogs went up 200% as everyone wanted a dog to go out walking for exercise.

I traveled all over the SE of my state, going into the city every other day, I was still working part time then, and I was never pulled over by police asking me where I was going, why wasn't I at home observing the lockdown. The only time I ever saw a car pulled over by police it was towing a caravan so that didn't surprise me. I think over half the workforce stayed on the job and traveled like I did. Any job could be classified as "Essential Service" aside from office work, small retail sales and restaurants but all the big shops were open and all the fast food outlets were open. lawyers offices were open, all the medical industry was open, all builders and service industry workers were on the job. I was unhappy when it all ended because the roads had been quiet and then got busy again. Millions of people going back and forth for no essential purpose. Just wasting oil to visit friends or take a day trip to the beach. I still rode my motorcycles too, though I carried a backpack as an excuse, "I was going to buy food" But I was never bothered. I found out later that riding a motorbike was classified as exercise and you were "Allowed" to exercise. Typical government stupidity the whole affair and illegal too. No one charged with offenses relating to breach of lockdown was ever convicted to my knowledge. The charges were dropped after the lockdowns ended.

I saw it as a good test to see what will happen when oil depletion limits peoples' access to the personal vehicle.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Here in Poland Covid campaign was going along following lines:
1. Feb 2020 - Few weeks long initial panic. Everyone was masking. Have even seen few people walking in military gas masks.
Official advise at this time was "don't panic, it is not that bad"
2. Within few weeks people have found that corpses are NOT pilling up and about half of them have abandoned masks but another half got insanely paranoiac and frightened to go out.
3. Then government have changed narration, ordered wearing masks, but new rule was massively floated by non-believers.
4. At this point I have started making money - I run tourist outlet in quite secluded village at the seaside and some of my loyal customers wanted to run away from their city to safe refuge. I was providing them this refuge and earned well.
5. Two months later government have changed narration again - because there was presidential elections and government wanted old people to vote (old people were mostly supporting a guy favored by ruling party). So the message was that COVID is just like mild flu - go and vote.
6. Shortly after election (government got the right guy to president office) government have changed narration yet again and COVID became extremely dangerous. At this point I have decided not to take government word on this matter seriously.
There was mounting huge hostility between non-believers like me and believers called derogatorily covidians.
7. Government announced huge police action to fine/arrest people floating COVID rules but this resulted in even more people floating these rules in quite aggressive (high profile) way.
8. Our court system was run by judges officially impartial but in reality overwhelmingly supporting opposition party
and because of that nearly all enforcement actions of police were declared by courts illegal and nearly all charges of non-compliance with COVID rules were thrown to dustbin and those who got arrested were frequently granted compensations for wrongful arrest to be paid by police.
Few judges have sent letters to chiefs of constabularies stating that they may face criminal investigation themselves for their part in all of that.
9. Police quietly gave up but on the street they still tried to look serious and intimidating. However rule floaters quickly noted that police gone toothless and from now on they were ostensibly ignoring these rules.
10. Our criminals found out that wearing COVID mask can help you to rob a shop because cameras could not record any useful image. Robberies increased.
11. Vaccines were introduced. About 30% taken them voluntarily, another 30% taken them because they had to travel abroad and 40% didn't take them at all.
12. Government was preparing to introduce vaccine mandates but this have caused violence including arson attacks on vaccination centers and attacks on nurses and doctors and also courts declared that such mandates would be illegal because manufacturer does not want to accept liability for vaccine adverse reactions.
So government gave up and there was no vaccine mandates.
13. Omicron variant came and there was so massive number of new infections that further containment measures were abandoned and Nature have taken its course.

Overall outcome in my local area
8 people have died (out of approx. 1000 people from my and few neighboring villages).
Most but not all victim had chronic diseases (diabetes, cancer, alcoholism).
My family have found COVID mild. We got it before vaccines were available and we refused vaccinations offered few months after natural recovery.
For my wife and me it was just 3-4 days long mild cold but one of our sons got it a bit worse - it was like a bad flu for him and he was coughing for 2 weeks more. None of us have seen a doctor upon getting sick but all of us have bought self diagnostic tests and later checked antibody counts in labs. We just stayed at home while sick.

[theluckycountry]

Overall outcome in my local area
8 people have died (out of approx. 1000 people from my and few neighboring villages).
Most but not all victim had chronic diseases (diabetes, cancer, alcoholism).
My family have found COVID mild. We got it before vaccines were available and we refused vaccinations offered few months after natural recovery.... None of us have seen a doctor upon getting sick but all of us have bought self diagnostic tests and later checked antibody counts in labs. We just stayed at home while sick.

Thanks for the post, it confirms pretty much what I thought happened in many countries, the same happened here but with a little more compliance. I wore a mask in the shopping centers but if you didn't you stood out like a sore thumb, you didn't have to though, the mandate had a loophole that said if you had a medical exemption you didn't have to. Thing is you didn't need to prove the exemption, and you never had to state what it was either. Many of my friends and family refused the vaccines and never got violently ill, though some of us contracted the virus, proved by the test kits, if that was any proof? I saw other people, vaccinated people, get heinous neurological disorders from it and a neighbor and close friend died of heat failure. Both within weeks of vaccination. The stuff is deadly!

[Plantagenet]

We get a new flu virus every year and it kills a some number of people each winter....except every so often there is a really nasty variant of the flu virus that kills many more people then usual.

Now the covid is turning into annual thing just like the flu, except it kills several times as many people as the flu.

It seems to me if we go long enough with a new variant of the Covid virus each year the covid virus is eventually going to mutate into some new variant that will be even more deadly then what we've seen so far.



After all, the covid virus isn't natural....the Chinese were genetically modifying bat viruses in their lab in Wuhan to make them deadlier, and they sure succeeded. And since what they let loose on the world is human modified, I worry that it could mutate in nasty ways that a normal, natural virus couldn't.

Cheers!

[Plantagenet]

Back to the topic....

I just saw that San Francisco just had 12 drug overdose deaths in a single day among the "homeless" drug users they let live on their streets.

san-francisco-records-more-dozen-suspected-overdose-deaths-one-day

Thats a perfect example of how the "liberal" policies that the Ds who run San Francisco wind up killing people.

I'm sure the Ds there think they are "helping" the homeless by letting them live on the streets and do drugs in public on the streets with no fear of arrest But all they have done is create a giant drug den, where people are living in squalor and robbing and beating each other and dying from drug overdoses. Rather than "helping" these poor people, the liberals in San Francisco are actually facilitating drug overdose deaths on the streets of their city.



Its very sad.

[theluckycountry]

Now the covid is turning into annual thing just like the flu, except it kills several times as many people as the flu.

There is no evidence of that.