Plantagenet wrote:Stalin invaded Finland in WWII, and Finland gave up territory to Russia in a peace treaty after WWII. And that seemed to satisfy Stalin....at least he didn't invade and take more land or try to conquer all of Finland.
And Ukrainians have refused to negotiate a peace treaty, so they got more war and any further offer (if presented at all) is going to be far less generous than one they could get before war have been started.
On the top if it land which Russia wanted (Crimea, Lugansk & Donieck republics) was inhabited by overwhelming majority of Russians.
Ukriane actually responded much the same way as Finland when Putin sent in Russian special forces and invaded Crimea about 9 years ago. Ukraine (and the west) didn't do much about it. But Putin is worse than Stalin...
You really need to read more about Stalin to discuss these matters in intelligent manner.
Putin is a really nice timid guy comparing to Stalin.
Putins second invasion designed to totally conquer all of Ukraine was beyond anything Stalin tried to do in Finland.
Because Finns were more intelligent and have signed peace treaty with him.
If you think being conquered by people like the Nazis and the modern reactionary Putiniks Russians out to recreate the 19th century Russian empire makes you "better off" then you are welcome to your opinion. Thank goodness most Poles don't share your ideas.
All continental European nations who didn't fight Hitler ended up far better than Poles did.
You are not undertaking a fight if there is no prospect to win.
The Nazis and Russians killed millions of Poles and destroyed Polish cities AFTER they conquered Poland. Your belief that this wouldn't have happened if Poland had surrendered quicker doesn't make any sense and isn't consistent with what actually happened in WWII.
Nope.
Most cities was destroyed either in 1939 during German invasion or in 1944-5 where Russians were pushing Germans out.
Exception was Warsaw - razed to ground as a result of misconceived insurrection against Germans which had no prospect of success anyway.
No other cities were deliberately destroyed during German occupation.
95%+ of occupation time killings was related to industrial scale mass murder of Jews living here (they were our citizens though). Any clever Jew knew that he must escape from Poland once Germans came in 1939. They had about 2 years to do it as real persecution have started only in 1941 and they already knew what was done to their kind in Germany.
And how many millions of Ukrainians would've been murdered and displaced and sent to Russian labor camps if the Ukrainians had just surrendered? And what about future generation of million and millions of Ukrainians? Should they all have to live forever under the thumb of ignorant Russian Nationalist lunatics like Putin?
Maybe few hundreds most vocal nationalists or maybe less.
Millions are getting killed and displaced now as a result of war which Ukraine cannot win.
Somehow Ukrainians and Russians were living quite agreeably before color revolution in 2014.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Ukraine without Ukrainians you mean?
I never said that or thought that or posted that. That crazy thought originated in your mind and then you and you alone decided to post it. You can fantasize about Ukraine without Ukrainians all you want but please don't try to associate your crazy ideas with me.
Wait few years more to see an outcome.
At this rate of loss of population last standing Ukrainian is already on horizon.