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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby jato0072 » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 17:51:33

Everyone outside the US knows this, knows it's day in the sun is over.


People inside the US know it also. Except the progressives. They are getting their vision fulfilled: From "late stage capitalism" to --> "democratic socialism".

To keep this Ukraine related, what will happen with the SMO next year? I predict more of the same; stalemate with perhaps lower intensity fighting due to (Ukrainian) ammunition and manpower depletion.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 18:18:24

The latest Ukrainian airstrike on Crimea hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol......during a meeting of high ranking Russian naval officers

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According to the Russians the attack was ineffective and only injured six people....but according to the Ukrainains it killed or seriously injured a large number of high ranking naval officers of the Black Sea Fleet, including seriously injuring the commander of the entire Black Sea Fleet. Photographic evidence shows a huge explosion happening as the Ukrianians hit the Black Sea Fleet HQ.....and thats more consistent with the Ukrainian version of events.

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Huge explosion seen as the Ukrainians attacked the Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol

Also, the Russians have been just been caught out lying about the Ukrainian attack on the Black Sea Fleet dry docks in Sevastopol. The Russians claim both ships in the dry dock weren't heavily injured, but photos show the landing craft has been reduced to a pile of twisted metal and the submarine was destroyed by a new kind of missile that penetrated INSIDE the submarine before exploding. There are multiple holes in the submarine hull with the jagged metal edges pointing OUT. The fact this new variety of missile exploded INSIDE the sub means that not only has the Russian submarine's hull been destroyed, but the entire interior of the submarine has been totally destroyed by the explosion. The Russians are clearly lying----the photographic evidence shows both Russian ships hit in the dry dock are a total loss. Apparently this is first Russian submarine to be destroyed in action since WWII (as distinguished fromRussian submarines that sank or were destroyed due to accidents, like the Kursk).

Personally, I'm amazed at the accuracy of the Ukrainian missile strikes.....the new missile designated to the destroy the submarine in the dry dock in Sevastopol landed exactly as targeted on the submarine, and then successfully penetrated the hull before exploding INSIDE the hull.......thats pretty darn good shooting from 100 km away.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 18:29:04

Plantagenet wrote:The latest Ukrainian airstrike on Crimea hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol!


Your reputation here is really taking a dive plant, no one here supports Nazis and you have come out as a True Nazi supporter.

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Justin Trudeau and Zelenskyy give a standing ovation to a former SS Nazi acused of war crimes. If he was in Germany he'd be in prison now.

Yaroslav Hunka, 98, fought in a Third Reich military formation accused of war crimes
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during the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was declared to be a criminal organization responsible for mass atrocities... The SS Galichina subunits were responsible for the Huta Pieniacka massacre, in which they burned 500 to 1,000 Polish villagers alive... In posts to the blog dated 2011 and 2010, Hunka describes 1941 to 1943 as the happiest years of his life.

He sounds just like you plant, relishing the destruction of innocents.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zel ... ng-ovation
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 18:31:56

theluckycountry wrote: ....the destruction of innocents.


You don't know what you are talking about.

The Black Sea Naval Fleet HQ building is a legitimate military target.

Also, some of the Russian military officers killed there probably were guilty of committing war crimes since it is know that some of the cruise missile attacks that targeted Ukrainian civilians were launched from the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby jato0072 » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 18:39:20

I never really thought of Russia as having a major naval capability. Except for her submarine SSN / SSBN fleets, they would be valuable in a total war against the USA.

In a war with China, it will be interesting to see how our supercarriers do in combat. I suspect they will be antiquated albeit expensive technology. There is not much an FA18 can do against China anyway.

The SMO is showing traditional human crewed aircraft are not of much use against drones and modern air defense systems. The larger bombers are still used for launching cruise missiles, but only at a standoff range. It seems CAS is almost useless, which is probably why the US has not given UA A-10s. The A-10 was specifically designed for combat in Eastern Europe against the USSR.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 24 Sep 2023, 19:36:01

I'd completely forgotten about the venerable A-10; though you're probably right about them not being all that effective in the face of modern air defense.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 25 Sep 2023, 05:56:15

Big troubles on horizon brewing:
Jews are protesting that Nazi bandit is glorified by Canadian parliament:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... r-s25.html
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 25 Sep 2023, 16:27:27

EnergyUnlimited wrote:Big troubles on horizon brewing:
Jews are protesting that Nazi bandit is glorified by Canadian parliament:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... r-s25.html


Jewish organizations have demanded Canada’s parliament apologize for celebrating an SS veteran. “An apology is owed to every Holocaust survivor and veteran of the Second World War who fought the Nazis,” declared a Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre statement. “And an explanation must be provided as to how this individual entered the hallowed halls of Canadian Parliament and received recognition from the Speaker of the House and a standing ovation.”


LOL. for once I'll side with the jews, they have a valid claim here. There was a time when US forces made every German living in the towns near the death camps take a walk through them to see what they, as a race, had done. It was prompted because all the German's denied any knowledge of what had happened. O how times change. Now the Nazis are heroes lol lol
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 25 Sep 2023, 16:32:07

jato0072 wrote:
Everyone outside the US knows this, knows it's day in the sun is over.


People inside the US know it also. Except the progressives. They are getting their vision fulfilled: From "late stage capitalism" to --> "democratic socialism".


Yes it's true, many know, have known all along, but it hasn't changed a thing. The two party system has them trapped I am afraid, even when "their" party gets into power nothing changes, nothing of note that is. It's the same here, in England, all over the West. The system was obviously designed that way, give the people a choice, but control both choices.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 25 Sep 2023, 18:41:26

Joe Biden just approved, for the first time, sending long range missiles to Ukraine

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Apparently these new long range missile systems will be delivered to Ukraine very quickly.

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Here's another gift from the kind and generous people of the USA to the heroes of brave little Ukraine, to help them defend their country from Russia aggression...... the fearsome ATACM (Attack'em) missile.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby careinke » Mon 25 Sep 2023, 21:07:02

Plantagenet wrote:Joe Biden just approved, for the first time, sending long range missiles to Ukraine

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Apparently these new long range missile systems will be delivered to Ukraine very quickly.

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Here's another gift from the kind and generous people of the USA to the heroes of brave little Ukraine, to help them defend their country from Russia aggression...... the fearsome ATACM (Attack'em) missile.

Cheers!


Nazzi missles, bought with money stolen from U.S. citizens.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 26 Sep 2023, 04:43:32

First US Abrams Tanks Arrive In Ukraine, Officials Admit They "Risk Being Destroyed"

Abrams are already in Ukraine and are being prepared to reinforce our brigades," Zelensky announced on Telegram. His hope is that it will boost Ukrainian forces amid the stalled offensive,

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/firs ... -destroyed

Well of course the tanks Risk Being Destroyed, every thing on two tracks that the ukrainian army has put on the field has been annihilated. But that's not the point, profits at General Dynamics is the point.
As the Ukraine-Russia war continues, the U.S. has decided to send 31 advanced Abrams tanks to Ukraine. That military staple comes from American aerospace and defense giant General Dynamics , which reported slightly better sales and earnings than expected on Wednesday morning
General Dynamics reports Abrams sales in its combat systems segment, which generated about $7.3 billion in sales in 2022, flat with 2021 sales. Total sales at the company in 2022 hit $39.4 billion, up from $38.5 billion in 2021. The company has also provided munitions for the Ukraine war effort.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/who-ma ... 1674656323
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 Sep 2023, 02:35:08

Ukraine knew about the top secret meeting between the Russian Black officers at their headquarters in Sevastopol, and they timed their attack perfectly to hit Black Sea Fleet HQ building while the meeting was happening.

But how???......how did the Ukrainians know exactly when the Russian officers would all be in the HQ building so they could blow it up with missiles?

Now it can be told........Russia hasn't been paying salaries to their naval officers, so Russian Naval officers leaked the intelligence to the Ukrianians in exchange for some hard currency!

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Russian naval officers sold information about the Russian Black Sea Fleet to the Ukrainians

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 27 Sep 2023, 04:43:00

Ukrainian resistance fighters say...


lol. "Hey, here is where we all hangout. Come and blow me up."

Russian officers leaked sensitive information about Moscow's Black Sea Fleet to a Ukrainian partisan movement

Oh, so the Russian military can find these hidden partisans anytime they want a little cash? What a hopeless bit of misinformation.

German FM Admits Some Of Berlin's Weapons To Ukraine Are Outdated, "Not Really Functioning"
Several deliveries of Leopard tanks have been "faulty & defective"...

https://news.yahoo.com/german-foreign-m ... 50087.html

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 Sep 2023, 16:30:45

Russia is now simultaneously claiming that the attack on the Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol wasn't a big deal and it caused only one casualty and that it was a horrendous act perpetrated by the evil western powers.

Which is it?

And why can't Russia honestly admit how many naval officers were killed?

And why can't Russia admit that there are traitors and spies among their own naval officers who leaked the time and place of the meeting to the Ukrainians, enabling the Ukrainians to attack the HQ just as the meeting was going on?

And this isn't the first time......how does Ukraine keep locating that Russia naval vessels that it attacks with its drones? Obviously traitors and spies within the Russian military are TELLING the Ukrainians exactly where the Russian ships are....

This dishonesty can cause big problems for Russia. For instance if Russia doesn't honestly admit that its military forces are riddled with traitors and spies, then how will it find them and eliminate them?

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The Russian military is facing problems with traitors and spies within its own ranks who are helping the Ukrainians find and attack ships and other important Russian targets!

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 27 Sep 2023, 19:01:47

What I don't understand /sarc / is why Russia isn't a smoldering economic ruin now? Weren't the western sanctions supposed to cripple their economy? Weren't they supposed to have run out of hardware and munitions long ago?

Could it be that all the "analysis" sprouted in the western media was BS. Could it be that, like everything else that comes out of the western press, it was simply lies to fool the western people's to commit economic suicide? All the while their governments went about shoveled hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money into the coffers of the arms dealers?

What's the price of Gasoline in the US today? It's a lot cheaper in Moscow lol. They are not subject to the $US market stranglehold on prices. But of course to enjoy the low prices you'd have to live in moscow.

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One good thing, you don't have to worry about being pushed in front of a train. Only a few tens of thousands of Blacks live there. Needless to say, there were no BLM protests destroying the city either.

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An article from the LA Times describing how African migrants in Russia describe ‘hell on Earth’
Well what else would you expect from American media outlet? But since I'm not Black, *yawns*
https://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la ... story.html
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 28 Sep 2023, 12:11:14

Arguments are that Ukrainian military capacity is about to run out.
There are some haphazard attempts to prop them up with ATCAMS etc, but It will not be long before either Ukrainian army is exhausted and forced to surrender or NATO itself will have to join this war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPhj8Ur-b4
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 28 Sep 2023, 14:48:25

EnergyUnlimited wrote:Arguments are that Ukrainian military capacity is about to run out.


Ukrainian troops surrendering en masse
September 28, 2023
Zelensky’s war narrative is at odds with stark data. Recent figures reveal Ukrainian troops surrendering in significant numbers, challenging his counteroffensive claims. In recent weeks, a significant number of Ukrainian troops have surrendered to the Russian military, utilizing a dedicated radio frequency established by the Russian armed forces, known as “Volga” with a call sign of 149.200. This frequency was set up during the summer and has been actively used by over 10,000 Ukrainian servicemen who subsequently surrendered to Russian custody. The radio frequency is operational along the entire front line.

The surrendering Ukrainian soldiers, utilizing the “Volga” frequency, are reportedly well-fed and receive necessary medical care.

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2023/09/28/17 ... -revealed/


oTHER nEWS:

Kremlin Reacts To US M1 Abrams Tanks Entering Ukraine: "They Too Will Burn"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... -will-burn

The Missile That Killed 2 Poles Last Year In Eastern Poland Was Ukrainian, Confirms Polish Investigation
https://rmx.news/poland/the-missile-tha ... stigation/
the ukrainian regime is certainly not making any friends in Poland.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 28 Sep 2023, 15:38:26

German regular army troops captured by Russians in destroyed Leopard tank.
https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-09-25-%22 ... ARAkp.html
It is getting interesting - Ukraine is running out of Ukrainians, so Germans are fighting.
Perhaps together with Canadians they feel obliged to support descendants of their friends from SS Galizien?

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There are sinister conspiracy theories in Poland going along a line as follows:

1. Americans know that Israel is in long term not feasible, particularly because of decay of its sponsor America.
2. So these Jews will need new place to settle - lets say on the land which was historically Jewish and was called Khazaria. Khazaria was on the land where now southern Ukraine is located and it was crushed 1000 years ago by Ruthenian King - Wladimir I.
3. Unfortunately those useless Ukrainians are living out there and it would be a good idea to get rid of them.
4. So lets get rid of these Ukrainians by tricking them into unwinnable war where most will run away to become cheap labor and also fill brothels across Europe and remaining stubborn lot get killed by Russians.
5. Once they are gone there will be a vast empty land left and surely Russians will take most of it but on a part of it where Khazaria was in the past new Jewish state could be established - what will be a condition of peace treaty with Russia.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 29 Sep 2023, 02:49:09

EnergyUnlimited wrote:German regular army troops captured by Russians in destroyed Leopard tank.
https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-09-25-%22 ... ARAkp.html


Figures. All the trained ukrainian tank crews would be dead or captured by now. How long does it take to train raw recruits (unwilling ones) to proficiency in operating a modern tank? The web says about 22 weeks, but that's with solders who have passed through basic training as solders previously, and 22 weeks is just the basic operation, then they practice for months in the field, war GAMES. Then you drop them and their tank on the battlefield and it's another learning curve. It's probably one of the reasons the Russians had such a high attrition rate in WWII, raw crews thrown into battle against seasoned operators.

The ukraine is nothing more than a NATO meat grinder. I'd feel sorry for the people if I didn't know who they really are at heart. The western people's reaction to this whole special operation by Russia is conclusive evidence to the fact that the average TV head is brainless. They were told the ukrainians were decent people worth supporting and people by the millions waved their stupid little ukrainian flags in solidarity with Nazis whores and pedophiles. Those separatist ukrainians in the north were justified in wanting to break from the government in kiev. They were probably sick of their daughters being sold to western deviants.

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