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Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 18 Nov 2023, 00:05:20

MSM Admits "Magical Thinking" Guided Its Reporting On Ukraine... Many Thousands Of Deaths Later

A very short while ago, any US politician or media pundit publicly calling for peace negotiations in Ukraine with Russia's Putin was branded 'pro-Kremlin' and somehow compromised. For example, mainstream media has sought to isolate and cancel thinkers like John Mearsheimer for his realism toward Moscow and the conflict, and urging immediate ceasefire which would require territorial concessions from Kiev. It was only in September that one prominent publication branded him "the world's most hated thinker."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... aths-later

That was then. This is now.
The War Street Journal acknowledges that the narratives it’s been pushing for months — of a successful Ukrainian counteroffensive, a possible palace coup in Moscow, a Russian economy in tatters — are “Magical Thinking.” In other words, their coverage has been a fraud.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/it ... r-AA1k28ij

Everyone is on the run now, covering their asses over the ukraine debacle. I'll give plant another 6 months, then he'll be admitting he was conned too. At least to himself :lol: TV TV TV TV

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 18 Nov 2023, 21:30:57

Ukrainian special OPS forces conduct a nighttime raid on occupied Crimea using jet-skis!!

Ukraines attacks on jet skis!

You've got to give those Ukrainians credit for being very innovative and very brave fighters....

They are heavily outnumbered and outgunned, but the Ukrainians still keep thinking of new and clever ways to attack the Russians.

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Fire up those jet skis and ATTACK!!! Glory to Ukraine!

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 19 Nov 2023, 11:57:30

Plantagenet wrote:Ukrainian special OPS forces conduct a nighttime raid on occupied Crimea using jet-skis!!

Ukraines attacks on jet skis!

You've got to give those Ukrainians credit for being very innovative and very brave fighters....

They are heavily outnumbered and outgunned, but the Ukrainians still keep thinking of new and clever ways to attack the Russians.

Why should they (brave Ukrainian soldiers) die in vain?
Ukraine is not going to win with Russia - what was recognized and obvious from the start by anyone who has looked beyond what MSM say.
They could only lose as they will and another option was a draw - if NATO joined in and attacked Russia on a massive scale - then it would be nuclear draw for both of these entities and return to XiX century (and Ukraine would end up as a hole in a ground).
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 19 Nov 2023, 22:10:25

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:Ukrainian special OPS forces conduct a nighttime raid on occupied Crimea using jet-skis!!

Why should they (brave Ukrainian soldiers) die in vain?
Ukraine is not going to win with Russia - what was recognized and obvious from the start by anyone who has looked beyond what MSM say.


jetskis lol, reminds me of the Hamas attack in Israel where they used powered para-gliders. Didn't that turn out well for them, they won't have a country soon, they'll be pushed into the sea. Israel has made that quite clear by blowing up their parliament building. No more Gaza.

Here's what's happening up north these days.

Ukrainian Soldiers Training in Europe Face Grim Future on the Battlefield
Tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers have been trained across Europe for the war with Russia. French trainers say they are careful not to get close to the Ukrainian cadets over fears they will be killed on the frozen front lines. The AP reported that Ukrainian soldiers preparing for deployment have resigned themselves to the “grimness of the future.”

Capt. Xavier, a French trainer, said it’s important not to get close to the trainees. He explained, “You have to burn bridges because otherwise you ask yourselves too many questions. When you find out that this or that person is dead, you’re bound to ask yourself what you did wrong:

As the conflict has dragged on and turned into a war of attrition, Kiev has become increasingly desperate for men to conscript into its armed forces. The Ukrainians training in France were recently civilians, unprepared for war. The French trainers have the troops engage in tracts while firing blanks and throwing training grenades. Additionally, the instructors place animal carcasses on the training field to get the soldiers familiar with blood and gore.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/u ... ttlefield/

It's a shit show, civilians given a few months training and then thrown into a meat grinder against professional soldiers.

Amid heavy shelling, Ukraine's Mariupol city uses mass grave
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 20 Nov 2023, 00:52:43

Russia is now sending antique 60 year old tanks into battle against modern Ukrainian drones and tanks

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After Ukraine destroyed over a thousand Russian tanks last year, there were reports in the media that Russia was trying to re-arm with 60 year old tanks that had sat in storage for decades.

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Tiny little Ukrainian drones go bzzzzzz. Giant Russian battle tanks go KA-BOOOOM!!!!

These antique Russian tanks are now showing up on the battlefield.

And guess what? Ukrianian drones can destroy the 60 year old russian tanks even more easily then they destroyed hundreds and hundreds of modern Russia tanks last year.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 20 Nov 2023, 02:53:58

Plantagenet wrote:Russia is now sending antique 60 year old tanks into battle against modern Ukrainian drones and tanks

Usually they are filled with high explosives and remotely driven into Ukrainian positions.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 20 Nov 2023, 11:05:04

A battlefield hundreds of miles long, and "One Tank" destroyed. Hold the presses!

China and Russia have some interesting plans afoot for the waters off Florida. And given that Cuba is eager to join the BRICS, they are very welcome there.
China negotiating new military training facility in Cuba: Report https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/2 ... uba-report

Possible deployment of Russian military structure in Cuba https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/po ... 82614.html

July 13, 2023 Russian navy ship docks in Cuba as tough times bring the old friends together
While Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has led to its widespread ostracization, the Cuban government increasingly has defended Moscow. “We are condemning, we are rejecting, the expansion of NATO towards Russia’s borders,” Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel told Russian-controlled network, RT, in a rare interview in May.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/13/amer ... index.html

Soon the Yanks will have a lot more to worry about than a proxy war on the other side of the planet. If I was to prognosticate as to the motives behind their move there it would be that they want a strategic base to protect the interests of their BRICS allies in South America.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 20 Nov 2023, 17:43:31

Zelinskee doesn't look happy having to deal with a Black man. Not something a staunch Nazi could get their head around
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SecDef Austin In Separate 'Urgent' Trips To Ukraine As War Effort Implodes

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Monday showed up in Kiev during an unannounced visit, and at an awkward moment for US-Ukraine relations given President Zelensky has been publicly complaining over a decrease in artillery shell supplies, given they are now going to Israel for its war in Gaza.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... t-implodes

Now this is an old trick. You can't afford to send military support but you take the sting out of it by sending over an important person. It costs nothing and it gives the impression to the locals that their struggle still matters to the Big power. "an unannounced visit" That's part of it too, like it's business as usual that the American defense secretary would just 'pop in' to see how his buddies are doing. Oh those ukrainians are so screwed, back to being the buffet of central Europe.



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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 21 Nov 2023, 00:48:26

theluckycountry wrote:A battlefield hundreds of miles long, and "One Tank" destroyed.


You are surprisingly poorly informed.

Actually its estimated that about 2400 Russian tanks have been destroyed, and as many as 400,000 Russian soldiers killed.

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Oher Russian losses include “over 7,117 armored vehicles,” which include 2,475 MBTs and 1,300 artillery systems. In the air and maritime domains, the UK has estimated Russian losses to include 93 fixed-wing aircraft, 132 helicopters, 320 uncrewed aerial vehicles, and 16 naval vessels of all types.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 21 Nov 2023, 16:00:57

So you want to quote English propaganda figures as though they are facts? Whatever plant, whatever. There are casualties in any war, and since Russia is using untrained former prisoners in front line positions, 100,000 at least, I have no doubt the figures of Russian dead could easily be 200,000 by now.

And what of the ukrainian losses? None of it matters because Russia has secured the territory it annexed and soon the ukrainians will sue for peace and that will be that. The Russians though are not interested in peace talks at this point, how could they be, they are the invaders after all. The price of peace for the ukraine will be high, they will basically have to demilitarize lol. That's always the basis for peace when a weak nation is overwhelmed by a greater power. While you obsess over "brave little boats" an entire war has passed you by :roll:

A powerful nation keeps it's military on edge with these little conflicts and whatever material losses Russia has incurred will be replaced in the days ahead. Did you know where the ukrainian air force came from? It was composed of old Russian planes. Russia builds tanks and fighters and warships, the ukraine builds nothing so they won't be rearming. The loss of Russian manpower, well there are 100,000 dangerous prisoners they don't have to house and feed, the US could take a leaf out of Russia's book there.

There are 30 or 40 million men of fighting age in Russia, and their women fight, so what's half a million. The special military operation may be an existential threat for ukraine but it's a sideshow for Russia. Putin is more involved in the BRICS takeover of the old degenerate American empire to be concerned with a done and dusted war on the southern border. Personally I think Putin has shown great restraint in this conflict. I would have destroyed the capital in the opening days, but then I'm not one of the leaders of the emerging free world.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 21 Nov 2023, 16:08:03

US Mission To NATO Signals Zelensky Must Sit At "Negotiating Table"
In yet another major indicator and sign that Washington policy has drastically change, after it's become clear that Ukraine's forces won't be able to push back Russia from the frontlines and with most of the Donbas firmly under Russian control, the US Mission to NATO has published the following message...

The West is now telling Zelensky, more or less explicitly and right out in the open: time to wrap this up. https://t.co/BnjnaejN7e The official X account of the US Mission to NATO wrote Monday,

Ukraine’s soldiers are fighting bravely every single day, and they continue to inspire the world with their bravery and courage." "We will continue to support them to be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table when the time comes," the statement said.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... able-first

"We will continue to support them to be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table"
HaHaHa, how do you say that with a straight face.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 21 Nov 2023, 23:52:14

theluckycountry wrote: I think Putin has shown great restraint in this conflict. I would have destroyed the capital in the opening days...


Kiev is an ancient and beautiful city---older even than Moscow. But you would've destroyed Kiev?

Well then----we are very very lucky indeed that you aren't in charge of anything.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 22 Nov 2023, 00:49:50

thanks for the spacer plant

Germany freezes new budget spending after top court ruling
Measure likely to affect €8bn in funding Berlin had pledged for Ukraine next year


Germany has imposed an across-the-board freeze on new spending commitments, in a move that has exposed the depth of the budgetary crisis triggered by last week’s bombshell ruling by the country’s constitutional court. Officials said the €8bn in military aid that Germany had pledged to Ukraine in 2024 would be affected by the freeze.
https://www.ft.com/content/7db76385-d2f ... f6857ff2b2

Take it at face value or read between the lines, the end result is the same, no more aid to the little puppet. I bet those Germans wish they had full access to Russian natural Gas right now. Maybe that's it? They want it all settled before the depths of winter?

Let's try on our future hats for a moment. Once the ukraine is forced into a peace settlement I imagine western europe will be sending its diplomats to Moscow to try and get the Gas flowing. "It's all over, we can be friends again." But that Gas and oil goes elsewhere now, basically to the BRICS allied nations, China and India. They of course have been reselling some at huge profit back to Western europe via tankers. I can't see that changing much. I think it's past time western europe paid for it's wokery, let them experience some of the austerity they have subjected the third world to for a change.

The german High Court. Very woke

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 22 Nov 2023, 12:42:38

theluckycountry wrote:The german High Court. Very woke

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Yeah... time is changing.
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 22 Nov 2023, 20:57:30

BUDAPEST, November 22.
The EU strategy regarding the conflict in Ukraine has failed, Russia cannot be defeated and therefore the EU must switch to a new plan of action, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said in Zurich.
The Prime Minister pointed out that Hungary condemned Russia’s actions regarding Ukraine from the start, but the Western reaction to these actions was wrong.

"What was our strategy? The Ukrainians [would] fight and win at the frontline, and the Russians [would] lose. What is the reality? The Ukrainians fight and die. What have we come to? Russia will not lose, and nothing will change in its policy. Therefore, we must face the reality. We must switch to Plan B," Orban said, adding that the EU currently has no such plan.
https://tass.com/world/1710459

One by one the EU nations are coming out in favor of ukraine surrendering. Yes, "peace talks" are a euphemism for surrender to Russia. There can no other outcome since Russia fully intends to keep the annexed lands. The Bear had best step up its campaign if it wants to secure the whole sea-coast. Or perhaps that will be in the terms of surrender?

Brave little ukrainians, let them crawl on their hands and knees to Moscow.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 23 Nov 2023, 02:55:51

I just saw an interesting Youtube video suggesting that now that Ukraine has crossed the Dnieper River they will go on to retake Crimea....

Ukraine will retake Crimea?

Personally I think this is way too optimistic.

But I do think the successful move of Ukrainian forces across the Dnieper into areas only 50 miles north of Crimea does puts more PRESSURE on Crimea and moves Ukraine one step closer to completely cutting off Crimea from resupply from Russia. For some silly reason Russia had pulled their troops out of this area, leaving it wide open for attack.

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Brave Ukrainain special forces soldiers cross the Dnieper by Kayak to attack towards Russian held Crimea.....

Already Ukraine has damaged the Kerch Bridge several times, so Russian can't resupply Crimea using the bridge.

And Ukrainian forces have advanced close enough to Tokmok to blow up the train yard, bridges and tracks, cutting the only rail connection between Crimea and mainland Russia.

And Ukrainian forces have sunk multiple Russian black sea ships, including several landing craft, making it impossible for Russia resupply Crimea by sea.

AND now the Ukrainian forces moving eastward from their river crossing are in range of the M10 highway----the only road connection between Crimea and mainland Russia.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 23 Nov 2023, 03:02:09

Plantagenet wrote:
You are surprisingly poorly informed.


The first casualty of war is truth

I wouldnt believe either sides figures
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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 23 Nov 2023, 13:36:34

Shaved Monkey wrote:I wouldnt believe either sides figures


Me either.

That's why I quoted figures from an independent group based in the UK.

Ukraine's figures are much higher and Russia's figures are much lower......The UK group tries to independently authentic all their data, and their numbers are roughly in the middle.....and hence are more likely to be correct than those from the governments of Russia or Ukraine, IMHO.

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 23 Nov 2023, 18:16:54

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Re: Russia/Ukraine Crisis Pt. 19

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 27 Nov 2023, 21:35:48

A major military factory deep inside Russia has been destroyed by a huge, mysterious explosion---video shows an enormous fireball rising up from the factory.

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This factory builds military grade diesel engines, and is a key supplier for a range of key military firepower such as the T-72, T-90 Proryv tanks, the BMPT Terminator, Akatsiya self-propelled artillery units, and the Msta-S and Koalitsiya-SV complexes.

The destruction of this factory is going to derail the construction of all sorts of military hardware for the Russian military and have a negative impact on Putin's war against Ukraine. ---

One might imagine that the Ukrianians would be behind the destruction of the Russian military engine factory, but the Russians themselves are saying the cause of the huge explosions was a "short circuit."

Apparently sheer incompetence by Russian electricians somehow destroyed an entire Russian military factory complex.

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Oh-oh....there' been a teeny tiny short circuit at the Chelyabinsk tank engine factory in Russia!!!! It's all going Ka-BOOOM!!!!! KABOOM!!!! KABOOM!!!

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